New driver law change

[Mumsn3t]

I couldn't find a post so i thought I'd start one as my daughter drives in September. They can't possibly be serious can they? My daughter will be taking my son to school as of September so I can get my life back. This would be really inconvenient for me and lots of other parents I imagine:

https://news.sky.com/story/new-drivers-under-25-co...

[poo at Paul's]

It’s more bks.
They’d be better to limit the hours that new drivers can take passengers, ie no driving with passengers after 10pm, if they want to stop drunken peers egging drivers on.

[Tankrizzo]

I'm sure all the abundant, numerous trafpol will be able to enforce this....oh, wait...

[Mumsn3t]

poo at Paul's said:

It’s more bks.
They’d be better to limit the hours that new drivers can take passengers, ie no driving with passengers after 10pm, if they want to stop drunken peers egging drivers on.

That's a great idea. I'd welcome this, a little peace of mind.

[Terminator X]

I would hazard a guess that this is x4 more likely than barely any risk at all.

"Road safety charity Brake said new drivers with passengers of similar age were four times more likely to die at the wheel than if they drove alone because there would be an element of them "showing off and taking more risks""

TX.

[Mumsn3t]

Tankrizzo said:

I'm sure all the abundant, numerous trafpol will be able to enforce this....oh, wait...

Problem is they'd link it to insurance. So they'd claim you had no insurance or some other made up nonsense.

[Mumsn3t]

Terminator X said:

I would hazard a guess that this is x4 more likely than barely any risk at all.

"Road safety charity Brake said new drivers with passengers of similar age were four times more likely to die at the wheel than if they drove alone because there would be an element of them "showing off and taking more risks""

TX.

It's still a bonkers infringement on one's rights. You've either passed your test or you haven't.
More Tory distraction I feel. Smells like a war on fly tipping scenario.

I hope

[paradigital]

Imagine being a newly passed 23 year old with a toddler and unable to take your child or child’s mother out in the car.

Absolutely bonkers that anyone would contemplate removing an adult’s freedoms like that.

[MikeM6]

Mumsn3t said:

It's still a bonkers infringement on one's rights. You've either passed your test or you haven't.
More Tory distraction I feel. Smells like a war on fly tipping scenario.

I hope

I think it would make sense to exclude the drivers own children, it's more about teenagers showing off to each other.

Doing something to reduce teenagers killing themselves is a good idea though, rather than just focus on speeding.

[Nibbles_bits]

MikeM6 said:

Mumsn3t said:

It's still a bonkers infringement on one's rights. You've either passed your test or you haven't.
More Tory distraction I feel. Smells like a war on fly tipping scenario.

I hope

I think it would make sense to exclude the drivers own children, it's more about teenagers showing off to each other.

Doing something to reduce teenagers killing themselves is a good idea though, rather than just focus on speeding.

I'm sure that's how some other countries do this

[Solocle]

Mumsn3t said:

It's still a bonkers infringement on one's rights. You've either passed your test or you haven't.
More Tory distraction I feel. Smells like a war on fly tipping scenario.

I hope

I've passed a driving test... but not for motorcycles, HGVs, etc...

Probationary licenses aren't a new idea, even in the UK, and IMO this makes far more sense than Northern Ireland's system with new drivers having to display R plates and being restricted to 45 mph, even on motorways!

[M4cruiser]

I can understand the problem of the restrictions, but if you'd been affected by something like this then you'd want something done. It's impossible to target only those who will crash, so a broad brush approach is the only way. This driver crashed just a few hours after passing her test, and her friend was killed.

https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/19410741.driver-c...

[TwigtheWonderkid]

Nibbles_bits said:

MikeM6 said:

Mumsn3t said:

It's still a bonkers infringement on one's rights. You've either passed your test or you haven't.
More Tory distraction I feel. Smells like a war on fly tipping scenario.

I hope

I think it would make sense to exclude the drivers own children, it's more about teenagers showing off to each other.

Doing something to reduce teenagers killing themselves is a good idea though, rather than just focus on speeding.

I'm sure that's how some other countries do this

Yup, it's all about new young drivers being egged on or showing off to other idiots of a similar age. Personally, I would just make it new drivers under 25 could not carry passengers 16-24 in the first 2 years. No problem with that at all.

[Mumsn3t]

M4cruiser said:

I can understand the problem of the restrictions, but if you'd been affected by something like this then you'd want something done. It's impossible to target only those who will crash, so a broad brush approach is the only way. This driver crashed just a few hours after passing her test, and her friend was killed.

https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/19410741.driver-c...

I understand that but surely police should be enforcing existing robust laws as opposed to removing people's rights to use their car as intended.

[InitialDave]

They fked up motorcycle licensing good and proper, so I wouldn't put it past them to do it, but even though it would never affect me, I'm not keen on the idea.

Doing something a poor driving, from both a technical/competence perspective, and general attitude/courtesy, would be of universal benefit across all age ranges.

[vaud]

paradigital said:

Imagine being a newly passed 23 year old with a toddler and unable to take your child or child’s mother out in the car.

Absolutely bonkers that anyone would contemplate removing an adult’s freedoms like that.

Driving isn't a right, it's a privilege. No core freedoms are being eroded.

[Mumsn3t]

InitialDave said:

They fked up motorcycle licensing good and proper, so I wouldn't put it past them to do it, but even though it would never affect me, I'm not keen on the idea.

Doing something a poor driving, from both a technical/competence perspective, and general attitude/courtesy, would be of universal benefit across all age ranges.

Completely agree. Improve driving standards.

[Mumsn3t]

vaud said:

Driving isn't a right, it's a privilege. No core freedoms are being eroded.

Yawn.

[Pica-Pica]

Mumsn3t said:

Problem is they'd link it to insurance. So they'd claim you had no insurance or some other made up nonsense.

If it was linked to insurance, then an invalid insurance issue would not be made up, would it?

[Mumsn3t]

Pica-Pica said:

If it was linked to insurance, then an invalid insurance issue would not be made up, would it?

They will slippery shoulder the responsibility for applying the law to insurance companies. Whilst they simultaneously reduce Policing resources, preferring to rely on your dash cam and other nonsense to keep stats up.

We have a resource problem not a lawless problem. The law clearly states what you should and shouldn't be doing in a car, enforce it. But that costs money.

Edited by Mumsn3t on Sunday 23 April 19:52