Man jailed for killing pensioner who accidentally walked in

[bitchstewie]

This is one of the weirdest things I think I've read in a while

Barmouth: David Redfern jailed for 14 years for bed mix-up murder

[BikeBikeBIke]

Yup. Utterly incomprehensible.

His own version of events doesn't do him any favours:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-65025527.amp

Edited by BikeBikeBIke on Friday 31st March 16:09

[Jim the Sunderer]

"Jurors were told that a neighbour heard shouting and found Mrs Barnes lying in the street in Barmouth, Gwynedd.

Lynn Hynes said Mr Redfern told her "not to touch" Mrs Barnes.

Ms Barnes, a retired factory worker from Birmingham, had been drinking and mistook Mr Redfern's seaside house for a B&B, the jury heard.

Mrs Hynes described how Mr Redfern "sounded like a raving lunatic" that evening last July, prompting her to go outside to see what was going on."


Jesus, sounds like he's a proper psycho.

[SmoothCriminal]

Wtf only 14 years for a thug who had self confessed anger issues who murdered a defenceless pensioner.

[greygoose]

SmoothCriminal said:

Wtf only 14 years for a thug who had self confessed anger issues who murdered a defenceless pensioner.

It does seem like a weak sentence to me, she was no threat to him even though she was in his house.

[Terminator X]

Murder seems a bit strong, isn't that supposed to be a planned killing Vs say a spur of the moment event?

TX.

[glazbagun]

Terminator X said:

Murder seems a bit strong, isn't that supposed to be a planned killing Vs say a spur of the moment event?

TX.

I don't think you can stomp someone to death on the spur of a moment. If he'd punched her and she hit her head then maybe.

[Kermit power]

SmoothCriminal said:

Wtf only 14 years for a thug who had self confessed anger issues who murdered a defenceless pensioner.

I'm actually struggling to see how it fits the definition of murder?

I'm not trying to defend the act of violence in any way, but I've always understood one of the key points to be proven for a murder conviction is premeditation?

If a knuckle-dragger breaks into a pensioner's bedroom and kicks her to death, murder no question, but when the pensioner has broken into the knuckle-dragger's room?

[Hugo Stiglitz]

EmailAddress said:

Not entirely sure how I'd react to an aggressive drunk lady locked in my bedroom messing with my stuff, arguing with me in the middle of the night.

I'd hope I wouldn't beat her to death...

But that's an awkward scenario that could definitely have been avoided for sure. The victim impact statement has a touch of 'promising footballer' about it.

I'm entirely sure how I'd react. I'd ask her to leave then if she refused not to I'd back out and call the police.

When we were students a friend walked into a house and sat and watched TV wondering where I was. The house was 2 down, 1 Road over and identical frontages.

The home owner walked in, shocked; listened to him, laughed and bade him on his way.

An hour later he knocked on mine and recounted through tale.

[Douglas Quaid]

He shouldn’t have kicked her but if she was kicking off shouting and screaming at him and his girlfriend and he physically booted her out of the house, which then led to her death as she was physically very weak, that to me is over the top but doesn’t sound like murder. I thought murder was a pre planned attack where you’re trying to kill someone. He said he didn’t mean to kill her, just boot her out.

What is ridiculous is that he should’ve locked his door, then none of this would’ve happened. What a bizarre and messed up situation.

[bitchstewie]

I assume the murder charge was because of the level of sustained violence and the number of opportunities he had to stop.

It's just odd from every angle when you think how many holes have to line up to pass through all those pieces of cheese to end up where it did.

[fourstardan]

Sitting on this jury was probably rather interesting...albeit a long and painful process with evidence.

[Hugo Stiglitz]

The evidence for murder needs to be overwhelming. So it's telling..

[ChocolateFrog]

Think he may have got away with it if he'd 'just' dragged her out the house.

Late at night, shock of seeing an 'intruder' in your house etc.

But the guy is clearly an animal and got the absolute minimum he deserved.

[Mastodon2]

The murder element is probably because of the overwhelmingly disproportionate use of force to remove a relatively harmless old woman from his house, even if she was drunk and being belligerent.

A bloke of his size kicking or stamping on an old woman, you'd have to know there was a good chance of inflicting fatal damage. If he dragged her out to the street and locked the front door we'd likely have never even heard of this case.

[Teddy Lop]

Terminator X said:

Murder seems a bit strong, isn't that supposed to be a planned killing Vs say a spur of the moment event?

TX.

I guess that it was such an over reaction and sustained enough to kill her.

Sounds like someone it would have happened sooner it later though, road-rage or someone spilt his pint whatever

[Bonefish Blues]

Teddy Lop said:

Terminator X said:

Murder seems a bit strong, isn't that supposed to be a planned killing Vs say a spur of the moment event?

TX.

I guess that it was such an over reaction and sustained enough to kill her.

Sounds like someone it would have happened sooner it later though, road-rage or someone spilt his pint whatever

Woman in her 70s is outside on the pavement having been dragged downstairs by her ankles (and we can argue about whether that action was proportionate to the situation). Return indoors, close door and wait for the police to arrive and resolve matters.

Except that wasn't the end, both stayed outside and ultimately after an unspecified period of arguing she got what was obviously a good kicking which caused injuries so severe she died.

[Hoofy]

"kicking and stamping her to death"

How soon do you do the kicking and stamping to death after the "Excuse me, what are you doing in my bed?" question?

[untakenname]

Having listened to the case it looks like he only kicked the woman once when she lunged at his partner after having called the Police asking them to remove her as she had refused and was drunk, imo it should be manslaughter as it wasn't premeditated and no weapon was used.

Having to serve a minimum of 14 years is a joke when you get other offenders burning people to death and getting less than two.

Sentencing remarks video
https://news.sky.com/video/david-redfern-jailed-fo...

[BikeBikeBIke]

He stamped on her interning to harm harm her. She died as a result of that harm. According to the law that's murder, beyond a shadow of a doubt. Intent and premeditation can be formed in a fraction of a second.

Given she walked into the wrong house and was strangely aggressive I suspect she had Alzheimer's. (Not that that is relevant.)

Edited by BikeBikeBIke on Saturday 1st April 11:53