Entry to the US if you have a criminal conviction?
Entry to the US if you have a criminal conviction?
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julianhj

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8,868 posts

292 months

Monday 22nd August 2005
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I've just been asked to find out what the current entry requirements are if someone has been convicted or using and supplying heroin during their misspent youth.

The chap in question is a friend of my parents, in his late 40's and has been on the straight and narrow since his mishaps 25+ years ago. I note from the US Embassy site that an interview maybe required, but how strict are they? Will he encounter hassle for the rest of his life, or are they reasonable people? He is under the impression he'll never be able to visit...

Prof Beard

6,669 posts

257 months

Monday 22nd August 2005
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Why doesn't just not mention the fact like most people surely do? Unless his case was high publicity, it is most unlikely anyone will notice.

It just a matter of remembering to tick NO as the answer to all the questions on the card. REAL criminals outdoubtedly do the same surely?

eg "Are you planning to practice prostitution whilst in the US?" "Why YES immigration man I was !"

Prof Beard

planetdave

9,922 posts

283 months

Monday 22nd August 2005
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Surely the conviction is well and truly 'spent' and therefore doesn't exist unless dealing is exempt from normal statutes?

julianhj

Original Poster:

8,868 posts

292 months

Monday 22nd August 2005
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The UK system (Rehabilitation of Offenders Act) is mentioned on the site - it does not apply in this case, and everything must be declared.

mechsympathy

58,672 posts

285 months

Monday 22nd August 2005
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Prof Beard said:
eg "Are you planning to practice prostitution whilst in the US?" "Why YES immigration man I was !"

Prof Beard


Last time I went they had "Have you ever committed a lewd act?" as a question. "I should fking hope so" didn't seem like the smartest answer, unfortunately

planetdave

9,922 posts

283 months

Monday 22nd August 2005
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Stuff 'em I say. How are they going to find out?

jimbeaux

33,791 posts

261 months

Monday 22nd August 2005
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planetdave said:
Stuff 'em I say. How are they going to find out?



By people proclaiming it on public forums! $hit less stirred smells less $hitty!

>> Edited by jimbeaux on Monday 22 August 18:21

Trooper2

6,676 posts

261 months

Monday 22nd August 2005
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I'm convinced.....the easiest way to get in, is to be a criminal.

planetdave

9,922 posts

283 months

Monday 22nd August 2005
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It's got to be said that negotiating US immigration/customs has to be one of the most degrading experiences (as an alien).

chim666

2,337 posts

295 months

Monday 22nd August 2005
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julianhj said:
I note from the US Embassy site that an interview maybe required...
He'll almost certainly have to attend a personal interview at the US Embassy before a visa is granted - true for any conviction I believe.
He should be ok if he's up front and truthful.

puggit

49,800 posts

278 months

Monday 22nd August 2005
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I think that awful green form also asks if you're planning on committing a terrorist act.

I realise suicide bombers aren't clever by definition - but are they THAT stupid?

Anyone ever completed the green immigration form successfully first time?

chim666

2,337 posts

295 months

Monday 22nd August 2005
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puggit said:

Anyone ever completed the green immigration form successfully first time?

Only after I had been advised to complete it starting from the bottom line and work your way up.....try it - it works!

>> Edited by chim666 on Monday 22 August 18:53

off_again

13,917 posts

264 months

Monday 22nd August 2005
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As far as US Customs and Immigration are concerned, you must declare if you have been convicted of a criminal offence - i.e. something that is on your record in your home country. A warning doesnt suffice as a criminal conviction, and as mentioned, the rehabilitation of offenders act allows for some details to be struck off after a period of time (though chances are it is still "on record" if its serious).

Failure to declare this on entry to the US will have your stay somewhat shortened. Though they cant necessarily stop you on entry. However, in a strange twist of fate, if you have a record it is actually better for them - as they can confirm your identity more accurately from records in your home country. Since they know more about you they can also make a better "call" as to what you will be there for. Someone with no record provides them with nothing to go on and hence can (and have been) very wrong in the past.

Though, personally I would contact the US embassy and talk to them. They will be helpful and it might be the case that a visa will be required - this will take a few weeks and a couple of forms, but in general its less invasive than getting stopped at passport control and subjected to a full body search!!!!

philthy

4,697 posts

270 months

Monday 22nd August 2005
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If he doesn't declare it, and they find out (I'd put money on it), he will not get his visa.

Best way is to be honest with them, they have ways of finding out.

Phil

deva link

26,934 posts

275 months

Monday 22nd August 2005
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It’s pointless ringing the US Embassy – it’s a premium rate line so the call will cost a fortune and they tell everyone that they can’t give advice and to apply for a visa. They do this because the US would really rather everyone had a visa.

Some people say that if you’ve ever even been arrested for anything you’re supposed to get a Visa. I’ve heard of people with 15 yr old speeding convictions who apply for visa’s – then the Immigration Officers laugh at them (for applying) when they go to the US.

I suggest looking at the wording on the Immigration Visa Waiver Form (I94W) that you complete on the ‘plane, if you can’t reasonably tick No to the question, then you’d better get a visa:
“Have you ever been arrested or convicted for an offense or crime involving moral turpitude or a violation related to a controlled substance; or been arrested or convicted for two or more offenses for which the aggregate sentence to confinement was five years or more; or been a controlled substance trafficker; or are you seeking entry to engage in criminal or immoral activities?”

One area of difficulty is that ‘Moral Turpitude’ apparently has no official definition in the US – its lack of definition has been the subject of a failed challenge in court. So it’s used as a ‘catch-all’ (hence the people with driving convictions applying for visas).

I think it’s clear from the way the form mentions 5 yr jail sentences that they’re after pretty serious criminals…and also (for the OP) anyone who’s had anything to do with drugs.

It’s widely accepted that the US doesn’t have access to UK criminal records but they do maintain a list of banned people – passenger lists are sent over to the US and compared to the list. If you get refused entry then you’ll get on the banned list.

mikef

6,158 posts

281 months

Monday 22nd August 2005
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Drug convictions are a big no-no for US immigration(despite the US not having a shortage of drug-related felons themselves).

www.americanlaw.com/exclude3.html summarizes grounds for exclusion under INA section 212(a)(2)(A)(i)(II)


>> Edited by mikef on Monday 22 August 22:37

scoobz

6,578 posts

278 months

Monday 22nd August 2005
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Julian, what visa is he after? Is he just going on holiday?

mail me offline if you'd rather... I have a pretty good knoweledge of Visa's and the US. So do a few others on here that helped me.

Adam

keithyboy

1,940 posts

300 months

Tuesday 23rd August 2005
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IIRC in the final part of the visa application process he will be required to provide either an enhanced CRB check or a PNC check which will disclose his misspent youth I'm sure.

>> Edited by keithyboy on Tuesday 23 August 00:38

GavinPearson

5,715 posts

281 months

Tuesday 23rd August 2005
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This may help....

I listen to a legal show here in Detroit. There are a fair number of people out there who got a minor conviction some years back who are then restricted in their ability to apply for jobs because it always crops up on background checks. They are always told to contact a lawyer to apply for the conviction to be 'expunged'.

In the first instance I would think that doing this would be the way to proceed.

Once this has been achieved I would then apply to the US Embassy in the UK for a visitor's visa. Take the lawyer along and things should stay reasonable. It would be much better to find out before than after going to the USA, getting stopped and being expelled never to be allowed to return. Possibly no difference, but I wouldn't wish to be detained for some period in the meantime.

rich1231

17,340 posts

290 months

Tuesday 23rd August 2005
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philthy said:
If he doesn't declare it, and they find out (I'd put money on it), he will not get his visa.

Best way is to be honest with them, they have ways of finding out.

Phil


And he will never ever be allowed in in that case