Discussion
Evening all,
Current lease vehicle is coming to an end, a Citroen c3 aircross. Currently my preferred replacement is a golf estate, petrol and automatic. I've had a good look around, and 10-12 year old cars are going for £8-10k.
Pre-covid that would have been crazy money for a ten year old car, in the current environment, are these worth buying?
Appreciate it's very much car specific, but ideally I would like something I could keep for 5-10 years as our mileage isn't particularly high.
I'd welcome the thoughts of the ph experts!!
Many thanks
Current lease vehicle is coming to an end, a Citroen c3 aircross. Currently my preferred replacement is a golf estate, petrol and automatic. I've had a good look around, and 10-12 year old cars are going for £8-10k.
Pre-covid that would have been crazy money for a ten year old car, in the current environment, are these worth buying?
Appreciate it's very much car specific, but ideally I would like something I could keep for 5-10 years as our mileage isn't particularly high.
I'd welcome the thoughts of the ph experts!!
Many thanks
Leon's/Octavia's are worth a look if you are considering Golf's.
Should be able to get something newer/less mileage for similar money.
Golf's are a bit more upmarket inside but if you aren't doing that much mileage and therefore aren't spending that much time in it does it really matter?
Should be able to get something newer/less mileage for similar money.
Golf's are a bit more upmarket inside but if you aren't doing that much mileage and therefore aren't spending that much time in it does it really matter?
Just had a look, it's pretty slim pickings to be honest. These look decent
VW Golf 1.4 TSI
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202302074...
Skoda Octavia 1.4 TSI
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202204194...
Seat Leon Sport Tourer 1.2 TSI SE
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202302164...
Honda Civic 1.8 i-VTEC Sport Tourer
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202210100...
Vauxhall Astra 1.4i Turbo Sport Tourer
Elite
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202302094...
SRi
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202301233...
VW Golf 1.4 TSI
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202302074...
Skoda Octavia 1.4 TSI
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202204194...
Seat Leon Sport Tourer 1.2 TSI SE
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202302164...
Honda Civic 1.8 i-VTEC Sport Tourer
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202210100...
Vauxhall Astra 1.4i Turbo Sport Tourer
Elite
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202302094...
SRi
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202301233...
georgeyboy12345 said:
Is a 2013 Golf a mk7? If so, go for it - decent motors.
Avoid mk6's, they are a bit long in the tooth and have some reliability issues
We are seeing the odd issue with the Mk7, mainly the waterpump/tensioner failing. A couple with the rear brake calipers seizing. I'd go with a good mk6 over the mk7, however there would be a few others i'd put in front of either.Avoid mk6's, they are a bit long in the tooth and have some reliability issues
Thanks again, some useful thoughts and suggestions! I was looking at mk6 estates, many we're Japanese imports, but then realised that Mk7s weren't that much more.
The main reason I'm looking at the golf is it's supposed to be one of the more refined in its class, which is an important factor for me.
Thanks again!
The main reason I'm looking at the golf is it's supposed to be one of the more refined in its class, which is an important factor for me.
Thanks again!
EA211 engine and manual transmission?
Heard bad things about timing chains on EA111’s and the mechatronics on DQ200 7 speed dry clutch DSG boxes.
You’ll be spending a lot on maintenance though. Bear in mind VW won’t warranty cars older than 8 years, so they will be expecting expensive failures on cars older than that.
I’ve seen official VW videos saying they engineer their consumables to last 8 to 10 years at average miles (10k kilometres), so shocks, discs, pads, bushings, clutches, exhausts etc all likely worn at that point.
My Golf Mk6 was 13 years old when it died. From about 6 years old it needed that whole list done apart from the clutch and exhaust, but these weren’t in great shape. Had to get a new set of gas lifts for the boot, 2 batteries, all bulbs changed, 2 sets of tyres in that time as well.
When the engine lost compression at 83k miles, I decided to sell it rather than repair it, thought it was going to become a money pit. The worst case scenario of a reconditioned engine was already approaching the economic value of the car.
If I only had the budget for an older car and wasn’t handy with a set of spanners, I’d be looking at something Japanese. Toyota will warranty cars that are 10 years old. Says a lot I think.
Heard bad things about timing chains on EA111’s and the mechatronics on DQ200 7 speed dry clutch DSG boxes.
You’ll be spending a lot on maintenance though. Bear in mind VW won’t warranty cars older than 8 years, so they will be expecting expensive failures on cars older than that.
I’ve seen official VW videos saying they engineer their consumables to last 8 to 10 years at average miles (10k kilometres), so shocks, discs, pads, bushings, clutches, exhausts etc all likely worn at that point.
My Golf Mk6 was 13 years old when it died. From about 6 years old it needed that whole list done apart from the clutch and exhaust, but these weren’t in great shape. Had to get a new set of gas lifts for the boot, 2 batteries, all bulbs changed, 2 sets of tyres in that time as well.
When the engine lost compression at 83k miles, I decided to sell it rather than repair it, thought it was going to become a money pit. The worst case scenario of a reconditioned engine was already approaching the economic value of the car.
If I only had the budget for an older car and wasn’t handy with a set of spanners, I’d be looking at something Japanese. Toyota will warranty cars that are 10 years old. Says a lot I think.
Edited by wyson on Wednesday 22 February 20:13
Theclarinettist said:
Thanks again, some useful thoughts and suggestions! I was looking at mk6 estates, many we're Japanese imports, but then realised that Mk7s weren't that much more.
The main reason I'm looking at the golf is it's supposed to be one of the more refined in its class, which is an important factor for me.
Thanks again!
My wife has a 2014 Golf Mk7 1.4 GT. Cracking car and refined, for what it is. The main reason I'm looking at the golf is it's supposed to be one of the more refined in its class, which is an important factor for me.
Thanks again!
I had a 2014 Skoda Octavia vRS petrol for a while too. Just as refined as the Golf and just as nice, quality-wise, inside.
So, if you are after an estate, the Octavia 1.4 TSI estate might be the shout. Better looking than the Golf estate too, IMO.
Good luck!
wyson said:
I’ve seen official VW videos saying they engineer their consumables to last 8 to 10 years at average miles (10k kilometres), so shocks, discs, pads, bushings, clutches, exhausts etc all likely worn at that point.
That’s not really that bad as nearly all of those items are consumables and most will very much depend on what sort of life the car had and where it has been driven.Edited by wyson on Wednesday 22 February 20:13
Grumps. said:
That’s not really that bad as nearly all of those items are consumables and most will very much depend on what sort of life the car had and where it has been driven.
Yes, was quite decent apart from the engine loosing compression at 83k miles, but even that, it might have just needed a good carbon clean being direct injection. But wasn’t sure if the OP knew about this sort of thing, saying he is coming off a lease, he might only have run new cars under warranty.
One of my friends, with his first cars, he used to gleefully boast how much money he saved off new etc until he realised how much it cost and the hassle involved in maintaining an older car. He chose to believe stuff like cars will run until 100k miles with just servicing, 185k no problem for modern cars etc. Well he learned the hard way. Sure some ppl manage that but the majority don’t.
Edited by wyson on Wednesday 22 February 20:38
I've had a couple of older cars before my current lease, so big potential bills are a concern. I was thinking of taking an aftermarket warranty to hedge some of that risk, looked to be around £40 per month.
It's just annoying, pre COVID £10k would have got you into a nice family car 3-5 years old, now not so much
It's just annoying, pre COVID £10k would have got you into a nice family car 3-5 years old, now not so much
wyson said:
Yes, was quite decent apart from the engine loosing compression at 83k miles, but even that, it might have just needed a good carbon clean being direct injection.
But wasn’t sure if the OP knew about this sort of thing, saying he is coming off a lease, he might only have run new cars under warranty.
One of my friends, with his first cars, he used to gleefully boast how much money he saved off new etc until he realised how much it cost and the hassle involved in maintaining an older car. He chose to believe stuff like cars will run until 100k miles with just servicing, 185k no problem for modern cars etc. Well he learned the hard way. Sure some ppl manage that but the majority don’t.
Err..modern cars will run to 100k with just servicing, replacing consumables when required. But wasn’t sure if the OP knew about this sort of thing, saying he is coming off a lease, he might only have run new cars under warranty.
One of my friends, with his first cars, he used to gleefully boast how much money he saved off new etc until he realised how much it cost and the hassle involved in maintaining an older car. He chose to believe stuff like cars will run until 100k miles with just servicing, 185k no problem for modern cars etc. Well he learned the hard way. Sure some ppl manage that but the majority don’t.
Edited by wyson on Wednesday 22 February 20:38
Have a 2013 Tiguan with 164k currently with nothing more than routine servicing, brakes, tyres etc. When required and 4 replacement coil springs. Hoping to take it to 200k miles.
Theclarinettist said:
Evening all,
Current lease vehicle is coming to an end, a Citroen c3 aircross. Currently my preferred replacement is a golf estate, petrol and automatic. I've had a good look around, and 10-12 year old cars are going for £8-10k.
Pre-covid that would have been crazy money for a ten year old car, in the current environment, are these worth buying?
Appreciate it's very much car specific, but ideally I would like something I could keep for 5-10 years as our mileage isn't particularly high.
I'd welcome the thoughts of the ph experts!!
Many thanks
Open up to other makes, these days a VAG car is no more reliable than a Focus, so I'd say consider everything as pretty much everything will last 5-10 years as long as you're maintaining them.Current lease vehicle is coming to an end, a Citroen c3 aircross. Currently my preferred replacement is a golf estate, petrol and automatic. I've had a good look around, and 10-12 year old cars are going for £8-10k.
Pre-covid that would have been crazy money for a ten year old car, in the current environment, are these worth buying?
Appreciate it's very much car specific, but ideally I would like something I could keep for 5-10 years as our mileage isn't particularly high.
I'd welcome the thoughts of the ph experts!!
Many thanks
Fiat Tipo Lounge:
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Astra Elite Nav:
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Avensis:
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Auris:
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