E46 - transmission vibration when accelerating through 40mph

E46 - transmission vibration when accelerating through 40mph

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dhutch

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15,291 posts

204 months

Thursday 19th January 2023
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As per title really, had the car six years without issue, but recently under reasonable to hard acceleration I get a juddering from what feels like the propshaft/driveshaft at around 40mph which you quickly drive through. Doesn't really happen without acceleration, happens in second or third at the same road speed.

Been into the garage once, who confirm nothing appears to be wrong with the propshaft and not to worry about it.

I'm not urgently worried, but it's clearly not right or going to fix itself. Thoughts welcome.

X-reg 5sp 330ci

E-bmw

9,978 posts

159 months

Friday 20th January 2023
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Gearbox mount, propshaft joint/mount, diff mounts.

helix402

7,913 posts

189 months

Friday 20th January 2023
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Maybe prop centre bearing.

I-am-the-reverend

922 posts

42 months

Friday 20th January 2023
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Rubber front Giubo 'flex disc' where the prop meets the gearbox. If it's original it might resemble a ball of string by now.

dhutch

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15,291 posts

204 months

Friday 20th January 2023
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All good suggestions I will pass on, might book the car in with a local german car specialist a some point. (Andrew D Kirk Engineering Services, Wirral)

The car has had a new central bearing a year or so ago, when I asked for the rubber coupling to be done but it wasn't, by the same garage who have checked over the prop and 'found no issue' they are usually very good and I get on with the proprotor, although they do more work on newer cars.


dhutch

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Friday 20th January 2023
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Could be unrelated, but the other thing I have noticed is on a couple off occasions while driving a low speeds, often after turning a corner, I get a bit of a metallic scraping noise a bit like a stone in a disk brake which changes if you apply the handbrake. Half feels a bit like a wheel bearing. Might be something completely different!

helix402

7,913 posts

189 months

Friday 20th January 2023
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dhutch said:
Could be unrelated, but the other thing I have noticed is on a couple off occasions while driving a low speeds, often after turning a corner, I get a bit of a metallic scraping noise a bit like a stone in a disk brake which changes if you apply the handbrake. Half feels a bit like a wheel bearing. Might be something completely different!
Brake disc backplates get rusty/bent on the E46 and may be the cause.

robbiekhan

1,472 posts

184 months

Sunday 22nd January 2023
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helix402 said:
Maybe prop centre bearing.
Pretty confident it's 100% this.

Having owned 3 E46s now and now every time I have had vibration under acceleration at any speed it's always been the doughnut on the prop being cracked and needing replacing. They last about 60-80k miles on an M3, longer on others. they endure quite a bit of vibration so naturally are a service item. Not expensive either.

dhutch said:
Could be unrelated, but the other thing I have noticed is on a couple off occasions while driving a low speeds, often after turning a corner, I get a bit of a metallic scraping noise a bit like a stone in a disk brake which changes if you apply the handbrake. Half feels a bit like a wheel bearing. Might be something completely different!
Brake disc shield rubbing, they are common for becoming loose or the holder corroding. Pinpoint which wheel its coming from or get a garge to check all 4.

Edited by robbiekhan on Sunday 22 January 00:47

i_alan_i

105 posts

235 months

Sunday 22nd January 2023
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dhutch said:
Could be unrelated, but the other thing I have noticed is on a couple off occasions while driving a low speeds, often after turning a corner, I get a bit of a metallic scraping noise a bit like a stone in a disk brake which changes if you apply the handbrake. Half feels a bit like a wheel bearing. Might be something completely different!
It could be the handbrake mechanism inside the rear disc - the backplate corrodes and the pins that hold it in place pull through, then the brakeshoes start moving about. If 1 of the two pins do it you get noises, if both do you get jamming and horrible loud bangs.

dhutch

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204 months

Saturday 4th February 2023
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Lots good good suggestions.

The car has just thrown all the brake warning lights on ( ! ) (ABS) and stability control. So clearly something up there, which last time was a wheel bearing which had taken out the ABS sensor.

Will get it booked in next week armed with the above knowledge of common things it could be.

robbiekhan

1,472 posts

184 months

Saturday 4th February 2023
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It will likely be the other wheel sensor, they are common to fail if not been changed in a few years. I did mine 2 years ago, got cheap ones off ECP to start with but they failed randomly, so bought OEM ones and been fine ever since. With these things always stay OEM as they will last many years unlike the cheaper stuff that can fail much sooner.

skylarking808

859 posts

93 months

Thursday 9th February 2023
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Had similar symptoms on an E36 once; turned out the propshaft was bent wink

dhutch

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Friday 10th February 2023
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skylarking808 said:
Had similar symptoms on an E36 once; turned out the propshaft was bent wink
Yeah, mean it feels very propshaft. And it's come in suddenly, but I don't know how the propshaft would have got bent.

Unweder

19,111 posts

228 months

Friday 10th February 2023
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Lost any balance weights of the prop-shaft? I have seen them fall off due to old age an corrosion between prop and weight scratchchin

skylarking808

859 posts

93 months

Saturday 11th February 2023
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dhutch said:
Yeah, mean it feels very propshaft. And it's come in suddenly, but I don't know how the propshaft would have got bent.
Under acceleration in third gear etc the propshaft was knocking etc.

My speacialist garage had only seen this fault a couple of times. I guess hard acceleration by aprevious owner may put pressure on the drivetrain and prop?
I changed the prop rubber etc before I spent £700 to order a new prop from Germany which solved it straight away. I think there are specialists who could have a go at balancing the shaft.

dhutch

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Thursday 16th February 2023
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skylarking808 said:
Under acceleration in third gear etc the propshaft was knocking etc.

My speacialist garage had only seen this fault a couple of times. I guess hard acceleration by aprevious owner may put pressure on the drivetrain and prop?
I changed the prop rubber etc before I spent £700 to order a new prop from Germany which solved it straight away. I think there are specialists who could have a go at balancing the shaft.
Fair enough. I'm not always mega gentle, but certainly it doesn't get thrashed and I would be amazing if I've bent it driving it, it's cold and wet for a start.

No obvious signs of rusted off weights either.

dhutch

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Thursday 16th February 2023
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Currently trying to solve the ABS issue, on a fix one thing at a time type issue. Front left shows 2-4mph fluctuation when sat still in the garage watching live, so sound like a cheap wheel sensor from before failing.

Any recommendations on where to get a good?

helix402

7,913 posts

189 months

Thursday 16th February 2023
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dhutch said:
Currently trying to solve the ABS issue, on a fix one thing at a time type issue. Front left shows 2-4mph fluctuation when sat still in the garage watching live, so sound like a cheap wheel sensor from before failing.

Any recommendations on where to get a good?
Autodoc ATE sensor.

Unweder

19,111 posts

228 months

Thursday 16th February 2023
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dhutch said:
Currently trying to solve the ABS issue, on a fix one thing at a time type issue. Front left shows 2-4mph fluctuation when sat still in the garage watching live, so sound like a cheap wheel sensor from before failing.

Any recommendations on where to get a good?
Almost definitely a failing sensor & what Helix said

Aluminati

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65 months

Thursday 16th February 2023
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I-am-the-reverend said:
Rubber front Giubo 'flex disc' where the prop meets the gearbox. If it's original it might resemble a ball of string by now.
This.