Far-reaching ban on single-use plastics in England
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Living in an AONB we (me, my wife, our neighbours) spend a fair bit of time wombling up litter. Aside drinks bottles and cans, a huge amount of the litter is disposable cups from coffee and fast food chains.
The beverage of choice for
s is energy drinks, which fail to give them the energy to dispose of their litter properly. Lucozade is certainly the brand of choice, although Monster runs it close.
It’s a shame, because in principle, a liquid picnic is a lovely thing to do out in the wilds. I just wish people could take it home with them.
The beverage of choice for
s is energy drinks, which fail to give them the energy to dispose of their litter properly. Lucozade is certainly the brand of choice, although Monster runs it close.It’s a shame, because in principle, a liquid picnic is a lovely thing to do out in the wilds. I just wish people could take it home with them.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: I've read the .gov article a couple of times and I'm still a bit confused.
If someone litters but with whatever type of packaging the single use items will be replaced with do the new types of packaging behave differently if they're discarded in a lay-by?
It's single use plastic that's being banned so presumably they'll be replaced with paper or similar instead and that breaks down quicker/without producing microplastics. If someone litters but with whatever type of packaging the single use items will be replaced with do the new types of packaging behave differently if they're discarded in a lay-by?
budgie smuggler said:
It's single use plastic that's being banned so presumably they'll be replaced with paper or similar instead and that breaks down quicker/without producing microplastics.
That was my assumption but I'm not totally clear if you'll just get your fish and chips in a re-usable plastic tray that the sort of scumbags who litter will still just chuck out the car.bhstewie said:
hstewie said: I've read the .gov article a couple of times and I'm still a bit confused.
If someone litters but with whatever type of packaging the single use items will be replaced with do the new types of packaging behave differently if they're discarded in a lay-by?
There's a special place reserved in hell for anyone who chucks their wrappers, tins, cans etc in the hedgerows...but from what I've seen while out and about, cardboard packaging like the junk McDonald's comes in does seem to break down eventually? I imagine quicker than plastic and aluminium at any rate?If someone litters but with whatever type of packaging the single use items will be replaced with do the new types of packaging behave differently if they're discarded in a lay-by?
Either way...if we're talking about general littering...it's cans and drinks bottles that useless braindead morons seem to like discarding that are the real problem.
I think anyone who has a garden should use a compost bin and then we should move towards more compostable items. Vermin can be a problem but it can be mitigated
I empty my 2 litre metal kitchen compost bin in to my garden compost probably twice per week and the a few times a year the garden borders get topped up with the compost we make. It is amazing how much waste doesn’t need to go in the wheelie bin.
You can heat a green house using a compost maker.
If we were all a bit better educated and disciplined with the proper use of recycle bins plus some good composting we could significantly reduce waste.
I empty my 2 litre metal kitchen compost bin in to my garden compost probably twice per week and the a few times a year the garden borders get topped up with the compost we make. It is amazing how much waste doesn’t need to go in the wheelie bin.
You can heat a green house using a compost maker.
If we were all a bit better educated and disciplined with the proper use of recycle bins plus some good composting we could significantly reduce waste.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: That was my assumption but I'm not totally clear if you'll just get your fish and chips in a re-usable plastic tray that the sort of scumbags who litter will still just chuck out the car.
Oh i see what you mean, fish and chips comes in paper round here anyway, kebabs from my local come in some kind of pressed/formed cardboard tray. I guess that's what they will all start using, seems to work fine. I'm happy about the eco aspect of all this, but dear god the mouth-feel of these paper straws and the macdonalds carboard mcflurry spoons is fecking rank.
Same kind of feeling as putting tissue in your mouth.
Totally agree about people chucking out the window, i volunteer a few times a year with a local litter picking group. It's is genuinely disgusting when you actually get in places normally hidden from sight, e.g. the bushes round the edge of parks. I think our group record is 18 completely full bin bags from an area the size of a tennis court.
Edited by budgie smuggler on Sunday 15th January 10:29
Edited by budgie smuggler on Sunday 15th January 10:29
I am in France and McDonalds (dine in) serve their food reusable packaging.
Fries come in a plastic tray and drinks come in plastic cups. Burgers, even big ones, come in paper wrapping.
I think its pretty good.
The only issue is, according to my wife who was an EHO, is that there will likely be an increase in contamination related illnesses due to poor washing as many fast food places are unlikely to invest in the correct washing facilities or simply wont have space for it. Mcdonalds etal will obviously spend the money on the right kit.
The yellow foam boxes that takeaways use in the UK are horrible things. We specifically use a place near us that lines theirs with paper just to stop the contact as so many places throw hot fries or whatever in the boxes and it melts onto the food. Nasty stuff.
I remember as a kid (early 80s) we used to take a couple of big bowls to the chip shop on a Friday night. 3 portions of peas in one and 3 portions of gravy in the other then wrapped in newspaper. Everyone used to do it. Fish and chips in news paper. Take it all home and plate it up. I cant remember the last time I saw someone do that. Maybe 20 years ago?
Fries come in a plastic tray and drinks come in plastic cups. Burgers, even big ones, come in paper wrapping.
I think its pretty good.
The only issue is, according to my wife who was an EHO, is that there will likely be an increase in contamination related illnesses due to poor washing as many fast food places are unlikely to invest in the correct washing facilities or simply wont have space for it. Mcdonalds etal will obviously spend the money on the right kit.
The yellow foam boxes that takeaways use in the UK are horrible things. We specifically use a place near us that lines theirs with paper just to stop the contact as so many places throw hot fries or whatever in the boxes and it melts onto the food. Nasty stuff.
I remember as a kid (early 80s) we used to take a couple of big bowls to the chip shop on a Friday night. 3 portions of peas in one and 3 portions of gravy in the other then wrapped in newspaper. Everyone used to do it. Fish and chips in news paper. Take it all home and plate it up. I cant remember the last time I saw someone do that. Maybe 20 years ago?
Having spent some time beach cleaning recently, the main thing picked up was b its of polypropylene rope and netting. All lost or discarded by professional fishermen. Not sure what the solution to this is. It's cheaper than alternatives and natural fibre rope generally has to be bigger and heavier forsame strength.
Digga said:
Living in an AONB we (me, my wife, our neighbours) spend a fair bit of time wombling up litter. Aside drinks bottles and cans, a huge amount of the litter is disposable cups from coffee and fast food chains.
The beverage of choice fors is energy drinks, which fail to give them the energy to dispose of their litter properly. Lucozade is certainly the brand of choice, although Monster runs it close.
It’s a shame, because in principle, a liquid picnic is a lovely thing to do out in the wilds. I just wish people could take it home with them.
Absolutely, I pick up litter when I walk the dog, and its always energy drinks, provides the person who drinks it loads of energy, but seemingly not enough energy to get to a bin.The beverage of choice for
s is energy drinks, which fail to give them the energy to dispose of their litter properly. Lucozade is certainly the brand of choice, although Monster runs it close.It’s a shame, because in principle, a liquid picnic is a lovely thing to do out in the wilds. I just wish people could take it home with them.
Its teenage/twenties lads I think, see it at the gym, when they leave their water bottle on a machine, a wad of tissue or a bottle from their "Grrr, Im a hard b
d" BCAA protein drink, usually when there is a bin within 10 feet.Costa is the most common dropped coffee cup round where I live, some people are just turds.
budgie smuggler said:
I'm happy about the eco aspect of all this, but dear god the mouth-feel of these paper straws and the macdonalds carboard mcflurry spoons is fecking rank.
Same kind of feeling as putting tissue in your mouth.
Paper straws are just useless. Even the best ones get soggy long before you've finished your drink. Don't know what a McD's spoon is like but I can't stand the feeling of wooden cutlery in my mouth, even the thought of it makes me shudder and my entire face itch.Same kind of feeling as putting tissue in your mouth.
Like others, I live in an AONB and actually alongside a fairly busy A road. The amount of litter I have to collect, particularly before the first lawn mow in March, is disgraceful and, now people mention it, disproportionately energy drink cans and bottles.
I’m as pleased as the next man to see single use plastics being phased out but I don’t think I’m ever going to adjust to eating Pret’s soup off a wooden spoon.
I’m as pleased as the next man to see single use plastics being phased out but I don’t think I’m ever going to adjust to eating Pret’s soup off a wooden spoon.
Timothy Bucktu said:
Either way...if we're talking about general littering...it's cans and drinks bottles that useless braindead morons seem to like discarding that are the real problem.
I don't know why we don't do what other countries do and introduce a refundable deposit on the bottles. I seem to recall in some European countries it's something like €0.15.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff