ULEZ

[roscobbc]

ULEZ - the beginning of the 'end' ...........or the 'end' of the beginning for anyone choosing to use a car in London?

Its a strange scenario now for car owners after Londons Dictator Khan decided to further extend the ULEZ zone to ALL London boroughs. I'm guessing that there won't be that many people around with petrol cars in daily use that are over 22 years old.........but there will be a high number of diesel cars and commercials that are over 6/7 years old and therefore non-compliant. Too draconian a measure........but if you own a 'historic' you can use it with no penalty........for the moment!.......wonder how long before that all changes!

[SRT Hellcat]

When they put this out for consultation I knew it would not make a difference and it would be introduced.
So anyone with a diesel that is not Euro 6 which was around 2014 / 2015
Petrol Euro 4 which is around 2005 / 2006.
This is going to hurt a lot of people. Utterly ridiculous
All this on top of rising mortgage rates and inflation

[Vipers]

It had an awful lot of objections, but he did it anyway.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-63754...

[roscobbc]

SRT Hellcat said:

When they put this out for consultation I knew it would not make a difference and it would be introduced.
So anyone with a diesel that is not Euro 6 which was around 2014 / 2015
Petrol Euro 4 which is around 2005 / 2006.
This is going to hurt a lot of people. Utterly ridiculous
All this on top of rising mortgage rates and inflation

A few petrol cars were Euro 4 prior to 2005......perhaps even 2001 (Fords surprisingly) - Not all diesels were Euro 6 2014/15 some not until 2016, so only 7/8 years old. Took a walk-out last night with the dog and there's a surprising number of higher end cars around like Merc's, Beemers and Audi's that won't be compliant.......and to think that people 'bought-in' in the diesels and paid more for them due for the economy benefits and perhaps to benefit from the longer life they would have.. What really p*sses me off is that unlike last years
'extension' to the ULEZ zone - or - the original (and still applicable) congestion charge you could decide whether or not to drive into the respective zones.....with this new 'fleecing', (subject to where the traffic cameras are located) you are effectively forced to pay by simply leaving your drive or street parking place!

[roscobbc]

Vipers said:

It had an awful lot of objections, but he did it anyway.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-63754...

Back before the original congestion charge was rolled out, working close to Chary Wharf I attended local meetings organised to give local residents and businesses an oportunity to understand, discuss and air their views about what was then to be the forthcoming congestion charge. The authority were exercising their statutory legal obligation to publish a 'consultation' document and allow local residents (as noted above) a chance to ask questions and voice opinions......nothing more. Anyone who thinks that you'll have any sway in influencing their plans will be disappointed. The consultation periods are simply a whitewash and nothing more as there is no legal obligation for the authority to action any objections or alternatives. 'Consultations' are already 'done deals'.......that is 'modern democracy' for you.

[Vipers]

I see a lot of cloned cars when it comes in.

[largelunchbox]

Does anyone know if my currently “NOT” ulez 85 riviera will be ulez compliant when it becomes tax free in 2025? I can’t get any info from the dvla

[roscobbc]

'Historics' (40+ year old cars) are exempt from ULEZ, MOT test and quality for 'free' rfl so, yes should be OK following your Riv actually reaching 41 years of age from delared date of manufacture on V5. DVLA may require proof of date of vehicle manufacture from a recognised car club. I did about 20 of these for CCCUK members with imported Vettes - only ever had one rejected.

[largelunchbox]

roscobbc said:

'Historics' (40+ year old cars) are exempt from ULEZ, MOT test and quality for 'free' rfl so, yes should be OK following your Riv actually reaching 41 years of age from delared date of manufacture on V5. DVLA may require proof of date of vehicle manufacture from a recognised car club. I did about 20 of these for CCCUK members with imported Vettes - only ever had one rejected.

Ok thanks rob , not sure I want to park it up for 3 years though, probably just move it on, bloody Khan

[roscobbc]

largelunchbox said:

roscobbc said:

'Historics' (40+ year old cars) are exempt from ULEZ, MOT test and quality for 'free' rfl so, yes should be OK following your Riv actually reaching 41 years of age from delared date of manufacture on V5. DVLA may require proof of date of vehicle manufacture from a recognised car club. I did about 20 of these for CCCUK members with imported Vettes - only ever had one rejected.

Ok thanks rob , not sure I want to park it up for 3 years though, probably just move it on, bloody Khan

Know how you feel - only a couple of months ago I foolishly bought a Ka diesel as a daily runabout.......even at £1.85 or so a litre the 50 mpg minimum/60+ mpg on a run was worth it.......knew Khan planned the ULEX expansion.............thought that the economic climate etc would delay its introduction.......how wrong was I!

[rat rod]

roscobbc said:

largelunchbox said:

roscobbc said:

'Historics' (40+ year old cars) are exempt from ULEZ, MOT test and quality for 'free' rfl so, yes should be OK following your Riv actually reaching 41 years of age from delared date of manufacture on V5. DVLA may require proof of date of vehicle manufacture from a recognised car club. I did about 20 of these for CCCUK members with imported Vettes - only ever had one rejected.

Ok thanks rob , not sure I want to park it up for 3 years though, probably just move it on, bloody Khan

Know how you feel - only a couple of months ago I foolishly bought a Ka diesel as a daily runabout.......even at £1.85 or so a litre the 50 mpg minimum/60+ mpg on a run was worth it.......knew Khan planned the ULEX expansion.............thought that the economic climate etc would delay its introduction.......how wrong was I!

Not into politics at all,they are all as bad as each other, only interested what's in it for themselves but that aside surely it wasn't only one mans decision,

Khan can't wake up in the morning and decide the fate of thousands of people,surely it would have to be some sort of government committee,

That wouldn't make it right either ,Now worried that it will spread to the rest of the country before to long .

Words fail me who put these people in charge of our way of life and give them so much power when they don't have a clue.

Edited by rat rod on Saturday 10th December 22:46

[SRT Hellcat]

I was chatting this evening with some car guy friends. I think the general census of opinion is that it would be impossible for Khan to have the budget to install the amount of cameras needed to operate this scheme. I say lets wait and see if it actually happens before worrying about selling or replacing any of our cars.

[Alan-4rcva]

I say please put all those paint gun geeks to use and have them shoot at every camera out there. It’s just revenue and power these scum bags like Khan want… a paint ball hit on every camera would be amazing!! They never seem to help catch bad guys, just issue penalties.

[aeropilot]

SRT Hellcat said:

I was chatting this evening with some car guy friends. I think the general census of opinion is that it would be impossible for Khan to have the budget to install the amount of cameras needed to operate this scheme. I say lets wait and see if it actually happens before worrying about selling or replacing any of our cars.

Don't forget a lot of them are already installed some years back for when they brought in the ULEZ for HGV's which cover the same greater London area.

3 of the outer London boroughs are legally challenging Khan over the decision.

[Saleen836]

Just checked my 2006 Mustang (V8) and should I ever feel the need to drive it into London I won't have to pay the ULEZ charge (for now)

[roscobbc]

aeropilot said:

SRT Hellcat said:

I was chatting this evening with some car guy friends. I think the general census of opinion is that it would be impossible for Khan to have the budget to install the amount of cameras needed to operate this scheme. I say lets wait and see if it actually happens before worrying about selling or replacing any of our cars.

Don't forget a lot of them are already installed some years back for when they brought in the ULEZ for HGV's which cover the same greater London area.

3 of the outer London boroughs are legally challenging Khan over the decision.

Anyone on this forum (or Pistonheads itself) who is currently affected, or will be when the expansion is due to start (this august) and is either resident in a London borough or lives outside of London and travels in to a London for work, to visit relatives etc needs to write to their local MP's constituancy office and demand that your MP support the anti-ULEZ plans.........if they refuse or support ULEZ remind them of the strength of local feeling and that their position as 'your' MP will be challenged at the next local/national election. https://members.parliament.uk/FindYourMP