What should the Red Bull Punishment Be?

[oyster]

Assuming they are confirmed guilty of course.
I think I've captured most of the possible punishments in range of harshness from the other thread.

[kambites]

We need to be able to select multiple answers.

[Dave2P]

Yes!






All of the above.

[Blink982]

Strip of them of points, fine them massively and take away 90% of their wind tunnel and cfd time.

As for Horner, Wheatley and Marko, they should be all placed in the stocks so Toto can throw wet pumpernickel at them.

[Sandpit Steve]

A points deduction for the year in question, from both championships - sorry Max
AND
A fine of several times the overspend, to be included in the current year cost cap - stop now on 2023 dev.
AND
Aero and wind tunnel development restrictions for next year - so they turn up next year with pretty much this year’s car.
AND
Suspended exclusion from championships, for five years - just to be clear that this is serious.

[Sevenman]

They should be made to drink some Red Bull.

Plus everything above...

Edited by Sevenman on Monday 10th October 21:10

[2 sMoKiN bArReLs]

Sandpit Steve said:

A points deduction for the year in question, from both championships - sorry Max
AND
A fine of several times the overspend, to be included in the current year cost cap - stop now on 2023 dev.
AND
Aero and wind tunnel development restrictions for next year - so they turn up next year with pretty much this year’s car.
AND
Suspended exclusion from championships, for five years - just to be clear that this is serious.

There will be no cars on the grid

They'll all be at it one way or the other.

[Sandpit Steve]

2 sMoKiN bArReLs said:

There will be no cars on the grid

They'll all be at it one way or the other.

There will be at least 18 cars on the grid. Only one team has been caught overspending, the other nine were all good.

[2 sMoKiN bArReLs]

Sandpit Steve said:

2 sMoKiN bArReLs said:

There will be no cars on the grid

They'll all be at it one way or the other.

There will be at least 18 cars on the grid. Only one team has been caught overspending, the other nine were all good.

So far......

[Jasandjules]

Sevenman said:

They should be made to drink some Red Bull ??
...

Well that seems a bit harsh, they didn't murder a dozen children...

But I think the punishment HAS to be very, very serious IF the overspend is over 1m. That is a massive amount of development money and I have little doubt Merc and Ferrari will be shouting from the rooftops. It is also money that impacts upon this year and next too.

Anything less than super serious and all the other teams can simply spend that much too.

[RaineyDays]

If it means I don’t have to listen to that moaning tt Horner then I’ll go for a 1 year ban.

[HarryW]

I’d settle on Horner having a gagging order myself.

[jm8403]

RaineyDays said:

If it means I don’t have to listen to that moaning tt Horner then I’ll go for a 1 year ban.

Moany spice is really hard to listen to

[Muzzer79]

Jasandjules said:

Well that seems a bit harsh, they didn't murder a dozen children...

But I think the punishment HAS to be very, very serious IF the overspend is over 1m. That is a massive amount of development money and I have little doubt Merc and Ferrari will be shouting from the rooftops. It is also money that impacts upon this year and next too.

Anything less than super serious and all the other teams can simply spend that much too.

Problem is, the rules specify a “minor” overspend and a “material” overspend.

By it’s nature therefore, the rules classify this infringement by Red Bull as ‘immaterial’

According to the rules therefore, it’s a minor punishment. This to me means perhaps a reduction in wind tunnel time, a fine, maybe a suspended points deduction.
Certainly, any talk of championships being taken away and so on is Jackanory.

Now, whether the rules are correct is another matter…..

[Jasandjules]

jm8403 said:

Moany spice is really hard to listen to

Whinger Spice surely?

[Zarco]

They should be stripped of Adrian Newey.

[kambites]

Muzzer79 said:

According to the rules therefore, it’s a minor punishment. This to me means perhaps a reduction in wind tunnel time, a fine, maybe a suspended points deduction.

BBC said:

Potential penalties for a 'minor' breach include: a reprimand; deduction of drivers' and/or constructors' championship points for the season in question; suspension from one or more stages of a competition; limitations on aerodynamic or other testing; and a reduction of the team's cost cap.

So the FIA's own guidelines give a points deduction, and hence in this case the loss of the WDC, as an option. Not that I think that will or should happen, but even for a minor breach it is an option.

[Jasandjules]

kambites said:

So the FIA's own guidelines give a points deduction, and hence in this case the loss of the WDC, as an option. Not that I think that will or should happen, but even for a minor breach it is an option.

I can not see anything else being acceptable. Otherwise we have a clear statement - break the rules, win the WDC and keep it. All that means is the other teams will spend 4.99% over and even if Merc/Ferrari did so to win the WDC next season, they will get to keep it.

And that overspend impacts upon this season too of course, that development has not vanished, but has been improved upon.

[Muzzer79]

kambites said:

Muzzer79 said:

According to the rules therefore, it’s a minor punishment. This to me means perhaps a reduction in wind tunnel time, a fine, maybe a suspended points deduction.

BBC said:

Potential penalties for a 'minor' breach include: a reprimand; deduction of drivers' and/or constructors' championship points for the season in question; suspension from one or more stages of a competition; limitations on aerodynamic or other testing; and a reduction of the team's cost cap.

So the FIA's own guidelines give a points deduction, and hence in this case the loss of the WDC, as an option. Not that I think that will or should happen, but even for a minor breach it is an option.

It does indeed give them the option. That’s a trap door in case someone invents something silly that is against the spirit of the rules and needs punishing hard.

There is also the option of a reprimand….

Point is, the rules identify this as “minor” therefore the punishment will be “minor”.

[Mr Tidy]

Dave2P said:

Yes!

All of the above.

Sounds fair.