Rumours of 992.2 base Carrera with 4.0 engine from CaymanGTS

[rossfitz]

This has possibly been discussed/rejected historically, but if any truth to it I’d dump the order for Boxster GTS that’s looking like an £85K plus motor and order a cabriolet 911. Interesting that the current hp of base 911 is 385 and the 4.0 engine is 400 plus, so nice step up for new model.

[TDT]

Not surprising if it turns out to be true.

[Taffy66]

I've heard from a good source this is indeed going to happen in the 992.2T .

[n12maser]

this is a great proposition if it happens.

what's the rough weight difference between Cayman 4.0 GTS/GT4 and 992 Carrera?

[GT4P]

Very interested if turns out true and deposit will be switched and have made my contact aware of my interest, but don’t hold out much hope tbh

[ags11]

The buzz word is “sweet spot”, it certainly would be….

Ironic that a NA Carrera was a given not too long ago and not the forbidden fruit of the current agenda.

[First Sea Lord]

rossfitz said:

This has possibly been discussed/rejected historically, but if any truth to it I’d dump the order for Boxster GTS that’s looking like an £85K plus motor and order a cabriolet 911. Interesting that the current hp of base 911 is 385 and the 4.0 engine is 400 plus, so nice step up for new model.

Why would one make the switch unless one wanted the extra back seats or being able to say one had a 911 (for additional cost vs the 718)?

[Grantstown]

I’m not sure why the 4L engine, with its PPFs is a step on over the much torquier 3L twin turbo. I think it’s a movement of online opinion, that’s not really born out in reality. The chassis and grip on the new cars are far too good for a naturally aspirated engine. You need the torque to challenge it and push the limits. Either go wild and look to the GT3 or RS, or go to the back catalogue if a naturally aspirated engine is the number 1 priority.

[john41901]

I do love these rumours, the problem is the online chatter rarely leads to actual sales…

[bigleefish]

Can’t imagine them doing anything that will increase their net CO2 emissions across a range

[Pivo]

I think 992.2 4.0 NA is a great idea in general.

We know that Safari/Dakar derivative is coming… would it make sense in that disguise? It doesn’t have a former model it has to beat by #%.

[julian987R]

Taffy66 said:

I've heard from a good source this is indeed going to happen in the 992.2T .

that 992.2T is so far off. The T usually appears mid stage of the gen cycle. I'd be amazed if it shows up before 2026.

[esotericar]

Walliser said unambiguously a year or so ago that it wouldn't happen.

Of course, still could, but would be quite the U-turn, more so than the return of the manual GT3.

Anyway, don't think the power / performance thing matters much. They can just call it the 'T' and it won't matter if it's a fair bit lower in the real world than the base Carrera. It'll be its own thing.

Also, no doubt extracting 450hp from the 718 4.0 wouldn't be that hard. They were getting 430hp out of the old Powerkit 3.8 10 years ago, albeit without the GPF.

[esotericar]

bigleefish said:

Can’t imagine them doing anything that will increase their net CO2 emissions across a range

Like replacing a 2.5l F4 with a 4.0 F6?

[Twinfan]

esotericar said:

Also, no doubt extracting 450hp from the 718 4.0 wouldn't be that hard. They were getting 430hp out of the old Powerkit 3.8 10 years ago, albeit without the GPF.

It'll come down to cost. The GT3/GT4RS engine can do 500bhp with GPFs but can another 30bhp be gotten cheaply enough out of the 4.0 for a non-GT car is the issue.

It's probably not quite as easy as it seems, although the 911 exhaust routing will certainly help.

[TDT]

9A2EVO 4.0 will give easy 440hp with just a remap… Would not really take much more to get another 10hp with slight revision in exhaust or just raise the rev limit by 200-300rpm, although that’s heading toward the limit of hydraulic lifters…

Suffice to say… if Porsche wanted to they could… they did the 997 GT3 4.0 more than 10 years ago… 493BHP(500ps) @ 8250rpm.

I’d say a decision to put NA back into a ‘normal’ 911 is not about outright t all…. its about how that pace is delivered and putting character back into the car.

Edited by TDT on Sunday 2nd October 13:09

[Twinfan]

I'll bow to your superior knowledge, T

[rawenghey]

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[MDL111]

As I posted on another thread, IMO everything that increases sales to meet those quarterly targets will be done including lots of “special” cars to create more Taycan etc sales
Look at how many more specials Ferrari launched since the IPO

[john41901]

rawenghey said:

Must admit I didn't quite believe you there, but according to fastestlaps.com they are indeed both listed at 11.9s @ 118mph for the 1/4 mile. Amazingly, the 718 CS with 350ps is also listed as 11.9s @ 117mph.

As glorious as NA units can be, it is remarkable the effectiveness of turbo power.

Edited by rawenghey on Monday 3rd October 15:13

Unfortunately the dinosaurs on here don't seem to mind being much slower as long as it "sounds good".

Edited by john41901 on Monday 3rd October 20:24