If you break down?
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Tazar said:
The simple answer is you get a mate to turn up and tow you home.
So why in a Grand Prix can a vehicle not go out onto the circuit and fix a rope to the front of the race car and tow it off the circuit ?
Three minutes at the most. F1 sort yourself out.
Like today, it's common for the car to be stuck in gear, so unable to be towed awaySo why in a Grand Prix can a vehicle not go out onto the circuit and fix a rope to the front of the race car and tow it off the circuit ?
Three minutes at the most. F1 sort yourself out.
MartG said:
Tazar said:
The simple answer is you get a mate to turn up and tow you home.
So why in a Grand Prix can a vehicle not go out onto the circuit and fix a rope to the front of the race car and tow it off the circuit ?
Three minutes at the most. F1 sort yourself out.
Like today, it's common for the car to be stuck in gear, so unable to be towed awaySo why in a Grand Prix can a vehicle not go out onto the circuit and fix a rope to the front of the race car and tow it off the circuit ?
Three minutes at the most. F1 sort yourself out.
Dont understand why they couldnt just lift the bloody thing up by crane. Or stop being such fannys and leave it there with race going ahead oldschool style
thiscocks said:
MartG said:
Tazar said:
The simple answer is you get a mate to turn up and tow you home.
So why in a Grand Prix can a vehicle not go out onto the circuit and fix a rope to the front of the race car and tow it off the circuit ?
Three minutes at the most. F1 sort yourself out.
Like today, it's common for the car to be stuck in gear, so unable to be towed awaySo why in a Grand Prix can a vehicle not go out onto the circuit and fix a rope to the front of the race car and tow it off the circuit ?
Three minutes at the most. F1 sort yourself out.
Dont understand why they couldnt just lift the bloody thing up by crane. Or stop being such fannys and leave it there with race going ahead oldschool style
After the Jules Bianchi incident, F1 is very rightly cautious about broken-down/damaged cars, marshals and recovery equipment being on the circuit.
They did faff about a little bit, but it was first called as a yellow flag before changing to a safety car and then the safety car picked up Russell instead of Verstappen.
Ricciardo's car was also attempted to be rolled out of the way, before they realised it couldn't be and had to be craned out.
It's unfortunate to finish under a safety car, but I really don't see the big deal. Something happened, a caution came, it couldn't be dealt with before the end of the race.
If the Indy500 can finish under a caution (and it has more than once) then the Italian GP can. It's not like the result would have changed.
paulrockliffe said:
MartG said:
Like today, it's common for the car to be stuck in gear, so unable to be towed away
You can of course tow a car that is stuck in gear. The AA won't do it because they'd get too much grief over the wrecked gearbox, but F1 is a little different.Don Veloci said:
Should not be beyond technology to force a release of the gearbox (unless that's the thing that's failed mangled)
Is Monaco not one of the best at car retrieval with well placed cranes and well drilled marshalls? If that's the case many places could learn from that example.
There is a button on top of the chassis on an F1 car, just in front of the cockpit, that selects neutral gear and is designed to be operated by marshals - there’s also an electrical cutoff switch and a fire extinguisher button on the outside of the car. Is Monaco not one of the best at car retrieval with well placed cranes and well drilled marshalls? If that's the case many places could learn from that example.
Sadly, in this case it didn’t work, either due to a gearbox failure or hydraulic problem, so they couldn’t push the car away and needed to lift it off the circuit with a recovery vehicle.
Monaco is indeed brilliant, but that only works because the place is physically tiny, everywhere is Tarmac and you’re never more than 50m from a circuit exit. At somewhere like Monza, you’d need a hundred cranes or more.
thiscocks said:
Dont understand why they couldnt just lift the bloody thing up by crane. Or stop being such fannys and leave it there with race going ahead oldschool style
You need a sizeable footprint to accommodate the crane base and also sufficient space to allow the car to lifted to safety without it actually going over spectator's heads. That's possible on some parts of any track but not all. Aside from the danger of a stranded car, there's the risk of damage incurred should another come off the track at that place. Remember there's a cost cap in place and there's a huge difference in cost between fixing a dodgy part and rebuilding a car totalled in a secondary smash.
Fundoreen said:
Why a tow truck or crane for a non smashed car? A troll jack with bigger wheels could haul it away to some opening. Its always made into some epic wasteful drama in F1.
Someone build an etrolly jack by singapore please. I cant invent and make one that quick.
One that can cope with any design of car and reason for failure, and also be used across grass, kerbs, gravel, and with any number of tyres flat or broken off.Someone build an etrolly jack by singapore please. I cant invent and make one that quick.
I get the logic, however simply giving the guys a handful of electric pallet trucks isn't gonna be of any use in the real world.
mat205125 said:
paulrockliffe said:
MartG said:
Like today, it's common for the car to be stuck in gear, so unable to be towed away
You can of course tow a car that is stuck in gear. The AA won't do it because they'd get too much grief over the wrecked gearbox, but F1 is a little different.mat205125 said:
You make towing a very large, heavy car, with very very wide and very very very hot and sticky slick tyres sound soooooo easy, if the wheels aren't going to turn
LOL what? They weigh half a hatchback. You might struggle a bit if you tow them too fast with all the downforce coming into play, but just keep it under 100mph and they'll tow fine.
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