Time for DRS to go?
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The whole rationale of DRS was to neutralise the problems that aero had caused - cars couldn't follow each other, so there was no scope to race properly for positions.
Now the new aero rules have been introduced specifically to address that problem - and we've seen in many races that there's no real problem in following another car for lap after lap.
So it seems to me that DRS is now just neutering actual racing - might as well just wave a blue flag every time another driver comes up behind. Is it time for DRS to go?
Now the new aero rules have been introduced specifically to address that problem - and we've seen in many races that there's no real problem in following another car for lap after lap.
So it seems to me that DRS is now just neutering actual racing - might as well just wave a blue flag every time another driver comes up behind. Is it time for DRS to go?
skwdenyer said:
The whole rationale of DRS was to neutralise the problems that aero had caused - cars couldn't follow each other, so there was no scope to race properly for positions.
Now the new aero rules have been introduced specifically to address that problem - and we've seen in many races that there's no real problem in following another car for lap after lap.
So it seems to me that DRS is now just neutering actual racing - might as well just wave a blue flag every time another driver comes up behind. Is it time for DRS to go?
I can see a time when it will be circuit dependent, sNow the new aero rules have been introduced specifically to address that problem - and we've seen in many races that there's no real problem in following another car for lap after lap.
So it seems to me that DRS is now just neutering actual racing - might as well just wave a blue flag every time another driver comes up behind. Is it time for DRS to go?
t tracks that don’t allow any overtaking enable it. Other circuits disable it. I can also see them reducing the effectiveness of it by making the drs zones shorter or longer depending on circuits.
DRS is meant to give someone the opportunity to have an overtake. Not make it a dead cert passing a sitting duck.
MB140 said:
I can see a time when it will be circuit dependent, st tracks that don’t allow any overtaking enable it. Other circuits disable it.
I can also see them reducing the effectiveness of it by making the drs zones shorter or longer depending on circuits.
DRS is meant to give someone the opportunity to have an overtake. Not make it a dead cert passing a sitting duck.
The problem with DRS is that it favours one setup choice over another. It eliminates the balance between on the one hand a car fast on the straights yet slower in the corners, and on the other a car with the reverse characteristics. It seems designed to say "car X has a theoretical lap time of Y; it it cannot run at that speed, it is being held up" as opposed to recognising that what we all want to see is actual racing. Otherwise we'd just decide "the race" based upon qualifying performance.t tracks that don’t allow any overtaking enable it. Other circuits disable it. I can also see them reducing the effectiveness of it by making the drs zones shorter or longer depending on circuits.
DRS is meant to give someone the opportunity to have an overtake. Not make it a dead cert passing a sitting duck.
In racing, the fastest car doesn't always win. DRS seems - now, at least - to destroy that idea.
MB140 said:
I can see a time when it will be circuit dependent, st tracks that don’t allow any overtaking enable it. Other circuits disable it.
I can also see them reducing the effectiveness of it by making the drs zones shorter or longer depending on circuits.
DRS is meant to give someone the opportunity to have an overtake. Not make it a dead cert passing a sitting duck.
I think its bit more complex than circuit dependent.t tracks that don’t allow any overtaking enable it. Other circuits disable it. I can also see them reducing the effectiveness of it by making the drs zones shorter or longer depending on circuits.
DRS is meant to give someone the opportunity to have an overtake. Not make it a dead cert passing a sitting duck.
For instance some Bahrain GPs have been good, some not so good; I think it was the Canadian GP before the pandemic where there was barely an overtake when usually there a lots.
The new aero doesn't necessarily solve DRS trains.
Some races the teams end up with competitive set ups that allows close races, some races a dominant team turns up.
And then there's the tyres. A lot of fans haven't given Pirelli enough credit this year as there's less thermal deg than previous years. I think its the medium tyre that has suprised teams with its longevity.
DRS is one of the supidest things to have in any racing series. The difference is so great that the car in front cannot defend so what's the point of it all... The worst part is having to endure the commentators exploding with excitement as one car passes the other with a 400mph speed difference as if it's somehow the pinnacle of motorsport action....
I remember watching Senna and Mansell etc... trying to overtake each other, lap after lap inches apart trying to find a way past and where they were stronger or weaker, it was actually exciting to watch.
I just watched the F1 highlights showing aerial views of just how fast the Red Bull passed anything using DRS...it just makes it all a total farce. You might as well just issue orders that the car in front has to move over and let them pass as DRS is effectively doing just that anyway.
IMHO of course. I'm sure some people love it as it is.
As an aside I don't mind the attack mode in Formula E as it a) doesn't seem to instantly give them enough grunt to just sail past every single time as DRS does, and b) the tracks are a lot tighter and smaller so there's not miles of straight to just sail past, it seems to actually require some planning and setup to make the most of it.
I remember watching Senna and Mansell etc... trying to overtake each other, lap after lap inches apart trying to find a way past and where they were stronger or weaker, it was actually exciting to watch.
I just watched the F1 highlights showing aerial views of just how fast the Red Bull passed anything using DRS...it just makes it all a total farce. You might as well just issue orders that the car in front has to move over and let them pass as DRS is effectively doing just that anyway.
IMHO of course. I'm sure some people love it as it is.
As an aside I don't mind the attack mode in Formula E as it a) doesn't seem to instantly give them enough grunt to just sail past every single time as DRS does, and b) the tracks are a lot tighter and smaller so there's not miles of straight to just sail past, it seems to actually require some planning and setup to make the most of it.
Similar to WorldSBK, limit the RPM of cars to even up the racing?
https://www.worldsbk.com/en/news/2021/Initial+rev+...
https://www.worldsbk.com/en/news/2021/Initial+rev+...
They do need to have a good look at where they use it, now that the cars handle significantly better following each other.
No reason why they don’t just have the one zone down the pit straight at Spa, for example, and delete second the long zone down the Kemmel Straight. Apart from Albon v Stroll towards the end, with the train behind them, every driver in front was a sitting duck yesterday.
No reason why they don’t just have the one zone down the pit straight at Spa, for example, and delete second the long zone down the Kemmel Straight. Apart from Albon v Stroll towards the end, with the train behind them, every driver in front was a sitting duck yesterday.
Olivera said:
Like, um, the artifical reverse grids in BTCC, BoP in GT racing, 'push to pass' in IndyCar, the joker lap in Rallycross...
Yes, they are all terrible ideas, IMOBOP and DRS in particular
I actually want to know if Porsche/Ford/Aston/Corvette or Ferrari build the fastest GT car, but we have no idea as BOP take sit all down to the lowest common denominator. This means the results come down to strategy, pitstops and BOP advantage given
freedman said:
Olivera said:
Like, um, the artifical reverse grids in BTCC, BoP in GT racing, 'push to pass' in IndyCar, the joker lap in Rallycross...
Yes, they are all terrible ideas, IMOBOP and DRS in particular
I actually want to know if Porsche/Ford/Aston/Corvette or Ferrari build the fastest GT car, but we have no idea as BOP take sit all down to the lowest common denominator. This means the results come down to strategy, pitstops and BOP advantage given
Olivera said:
rog007 said:
The fact that they had to artificially meddle with the racing is a failure in many folk’s eyes.
Like, um, the artifical reverse grids in BTCC, BoP in GT racing, 'push to pass' in IndyCar, the joker lap in Rallycross...yesterjay said:
DRS needs to a permanent feature with limited uses for each race at the drivers discretion.
Whether attacking our defending.
Say, 30 button presses.
Maybe give a fan vote +5 to two drivers in the last 10 laps to really ps off traditionalists 
I agree with limiting its use, works better in indycar where its use is actually a strategic thing. And it can be used for defense aswell.Whether attacking our defending.
Say, 30 button presses.
Maybe give a fan vote +5 to two drivers in the last 10 laps to really p
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