How to get a GT3 slot?
Discussion
Entertain me for a minute, as I'm sure this has been discussed hundreds of times, but I'm interested to know.
I am not a serial Porsche owner (Boxster, 997GTS, 991GTS & 992 Targa GTS) of which I bought the Boxster & the Targa GTS from my local OPC, and the others from independants. I've also a deposit down on another Targa GTS for new year to replace the current one. I've always used my local OPC for servicing on all the cars, if that matters, and sold my previous 991GTS to them in px for the 992 Targa.
Life is going well, money is not the issue, but I have little to no interest in paying 'overs' for a car. I'm currently in the process of looking for another 'family' car as well which I'm currently torn between a Range Rover or a replacement Etron, however could consider a Cayenne if it would help, although quite honest just prefer the others mentioned.
So... how to get a GT3 slot for a gen2 car when they are released ? Is it simply put my name down and hope for the best, or is there deals to be done on agreeing p/x figures on the Targa which are obviously currently trading at overs ? By which I mean would agreeing to sell back at list, or even below list to give the OPC stock be a discussion to have.
I'm coming up to 50, and absolutely love the Targa as it offers the speed, comfort, and the ability to have the roof down (without being as exposed as a full convertible), but would love to own a GT3.
I'm assuming there is little chance, but thought I'd ask the collective PH masses for their thoughts, as obviously many will have been in the same position at some point.
I am not a serial Porsche owner (Boxster, 997GTS, 991GTS & 992 Targa GTS) of which I bought the Boxster & the Targa GTS from my local OPC, and the others from independants. I've also a deposit down on another Targa GTS for new year to replace the current one. I've always used my local OPC for servicing on all the cars, if that matters, and sold my previous 991GTS to them in px for the 992 Targa.
Life is going well, money is not the issue, but I have little to no interest in paying 'overs' for a car. I'm currently in the process of looking for another 'family' car as well which I'm currently torn between a Range Rover or a replacement Etron, however could consider a Cayenne if it would help, although quite honest just prefer the others mentioned.
So... how to get a GT3 slot for a gen2 car when they are released ? Is it simply put my name down and hope for the best, or is there deals to be done on agreeing p/x figures on the Targa which are obviously currently trading at overs ? By which I mean would agreeing to sell back at list, or even below list to give the OPC stock be a discussion to have.
I'm coming up to 50, and absolutely love the Targa as it offers the speed, comfort, and the ability to have the roof down (without being as exposed as a full convertible), but would love to own a GT3.
I'm assuming there is little chance, but thought I'd ask the collective PH masses for their thoughts, as obviously many will have been in the same position at some point.
If money no issue, I'd pay the overs. Or wait, put in loads of phone calls at loads of OPCs and you might get lucky. How much is your time and effort worth. It won't be 'free', even if you'd get the car cheaper.
As things stand, you want something where demand outstrips supply. So I don't really understand the objection to the overs. It's a thoroughly natural state of affairs. I'm sure you pay inflated demand-drive rates for all kinds of things. Indeed, even with the overs the margin on a GT3 won't be anywhere near the huge mark ups on most luxury goods which can easily be 10x or more the cost to produce the product.
The clock is ticking on these cars on several fronts - ability to use ICE cars and drive them everywhere, ability to buy new / nearly new ICE cars, experimentation with blanket 20mph minor road speed limits etc. If you can easily afford it, would think it makes sense to lose the hairshirt, get it bought, get driving and get enjoying something fantastic while you can.
Ultimately you've got a fairly mainstream desire for a very popular luxury good. It's gonna cost you. Attempts to resist that are fairly futile. Cough up or go after something a bit less obvious, would be the really harsh conclusion. Ultimately, I'd get your bum into the car and don't stress the overs. You'll have the last laugh, provided that is you're interested in driving the car. More complicated if the purchase is more about access to perceived exclusivity etc, in which case I think people get upset that they're not important enough to be on the list, and hence paying overs is an ego issue!
As things stand, you want something where demand outstrips supply. So I don't really understand the objection to the overs. It's a thoroughly natural state of affairs. I'm sure you pay inflated demand-drive rates for all kinds of things. Indeed, even with the overs the margin on a GT3 won't be anywhere near the huge mark ups on most luxury goods which can easily be 10x or more the cost to produce the product.
The clock is ticking on these cars on several fronts - ability to use ICE cars and drive them everywhere, ability to buy new / nearly new ICE cars, experimentation with blanket 20mph minor road speed limits etc. If you can easily afford it, would think it makes sense to lose the hairshirt, get it bought, get driving and get enjoying something fantastic while you can.
Ultimately you've got a fairly mainstream desire for a very popular luxury good. It's gonna cost you. Attempts to resist that are fairly futile. Cough up or go after something a bit less obvious, would be the really harsh conclusion. Ultimately, I'd get your bum into the car and don't stress the overs. You'll have the last laugh, provided that is you're interested in driving the car. More complicated if the purchase is more about access to perceived exclusivity etc, in which case I think people get upset that they're not important enough to be on the list, and hence paying overs is an ego issue!
Being cash rich I would wait until the winter months when the crap really hits the fan and re access the situation! I for one I wouldn’t buy an expensive car at the moment I will wait it out. It’s happened before and fingers were burnt!
And although a second hand gt3 may come down in price and imo it will as the overs are ridiculous your current Porsche car will be hit harder.
And although a second hand gt3 may come down in price and imo it will as the overs are ridiculous your current Porsche car will be hit harder.
GT4P said:
Being cash rich I would wait until the winter months when the crap really hits the fan and re access the situation! I for one I wouldn’t buy an expensive car at the moment I will wait it out. It’s happened before and fingers were burnt!
And although a second hand gt3 may come down in price and imo it will as the overs are ridiculous your current Porsche car will be hit harder.
This. And although a second hand gt3 may come down in price and imo it will as the overs are ridiculous your current Porsche car will be hit harder.
The market is at its last breath. We are approaching record high interest rates, fuel rates etc and this combined with the fact that there are still backlogs in the supply chain has created this “dead cat bounce”. We are looking into a very uncertain future so I would simply sit back and wait. There will be opportunities coming later this year.
YouTubers might have received their cars as a priority but that is a failing business model, when you need to constantly buy the newest and the greatest in order to create content.
Hobo said:
Entertain me for a minute, as I'm sure this has been discussed hundreds of times, but I'm interested to know.
I am not a serial Porsche owner (Boxster, 997GTS, 991GTS & 992 Targa GTS) of which I bought the Boxster & the Targa GTS from my local OPC, and the others from independants. I've also a deposit down on another Targa GTS for new year to replace the current one. I've always used my local OPC for servicing on all the cars, if that matters, and sold my previous 991GTS to them in px for the 992 Targa.
Life is going well, money is not the issue, but I have little to no interest in paying 'overs' for a car. I'm currently in the process of looking for another 'family' car as well which I'm currently torn between a Range Rover or a replacement Etron, however could consider a Cayenne if it would help, although quite honest just prefer the others mentioned.
So... how to get a GT3 slot for a gen2 car when they are released ? Is it simply put my name down and hope for the best, or is there deals to be done on agreeing p/x figures on the Targa which are obviously currently trading at overs ? By which I mean would agreeing to sell back at list, or even below list to give the OPC stock be a discussion to have.
I'm coming up to 50, and absolutely love the Targa as it offers the speed, comfort, and the ability to have the roof down (without being as exposed as a full convertible), but would love to own a GT3.
I'm assuming there is little chance, but thought I'd ask the collective PH masses for their thoughts, as obviously many will have been in the same position at some point.
What's the difference between paying over its for a car that you want, or selling a car to the OPC at under market value - surely it amounts to the same thing?I am not a serial Porsche owner (Boxster, 997GTS, 991GTS & 992 Targa GTS) of which I bought the Boxster & the Targa GTS from my local OPC, and the others from independants. I've also a deposit down on another Targa GTS for new year to replace the current one. I've always used my local OPC for servicing on all the cars, if that matters, and sold my previous 991GTS to them in px for the 992 Targa.
Life is going well, money is not the issue, but I have little to no interest in paying 'overs' for a car. I'm currently in the process of looking for another 'family' car as well which I'm currently torn between a Range Rover or a replacement Etron, however could consider a Cayenne if it would help, although quite honest just prefer the others mentioned.
So... how to get a GT3 slot for a gen2 car when they are released ? Is it simply put my name down and hope for the best, or is there deals to be done on agreeing p/x figures on the Targa which are obviously currently trading at overs ? By which I mean would agreeing to sell back at list, or even below list to give the OPC stock be a discussion to have.
I'm coming up to 50, and absolutely love the Targa as it offers the speed, comfort, and the ability to have the roof down (without being as exposed as a full convertible), but would love to own a GT3.
I'm assuming there is little chance, but thought I'd ask the collective PH masses for their thoughts, as obviously many will have been in the same position at some point.
Sport_Turismo_GTS said:
What's the difference between paying over its for a car that you want, or selling a car to the OPC at under market value - surely it amounts to the same thing?
Suppose the difference is generally having a relationship with an OPC or just buying/selling through independants constantly, and I was hoping for the former.That, and obviously the ability to spec the exact car you would like.
Edited by Hobo on Thursday 18th August 11:55
Maybe take a 991.1 GT3 off your local OPCs hands when they next have one and assess how much you really like the GT3 experience. You’ll also have upped your game with the ‘relationship’ building, especially if you order a Cayenne as well so maybe you’ll have a chance.
By the same token you might find that the GT3 doesn’t really suit you and then you can disregard building a relationship and just order a series model as and when. GT3s do seem to be regularly up for grabs with multiple owners in a relatively short space of time. I suspect that they will eventually fall into enthusiasts hands, like the 997s, but in the early years there are many people for whom the car doesn’t really suit and the speculators of course.
By the same token you might find that the GT3 doesn’t really suit you and then you can disregard building a relationship and just order a series model as and when. GT3s do seem to be regularly up for grabs with multiple owners in a relatively short space of time. I suspect that they will eventually fall into enthusiasts hands, like the 997s, but in the early years there are many people for whom the car doesn’t really suit and the speculators of course.
If you have a good relationship with your OPC just ask the question, but be ready for a shock. I know three owners of new GT3’s and each one has a different buying path. But what they do have in common is they cycle through a shed load of Porsches and track there GT’s. Be that’s serval GT’s or lots of family cars or a combination of both.
Rightly or wrongly Porsche ideally wants in there GT lower volume cars to be seen. Preferably in there intended environment.
Or you bite the bullet and pay overs on a used one. As RS’s are delivered I’d imagine a few more will hit the market. Current inflation is in very direct areas and won’t really hurt your average new GT3 driver.
Rightly or wrongly Porsche ideally wants in there GT lower volume cars to be seen. Preferably in there intended environment.
Or you bite the bullet and pay overs on a used one. As RS’s are delivered I’d imagine a few more will hit the market. Current inflation is in very direct areas and won’t really hurt your average new GT3 driver.
Don't waste your time doing letters of intent or e mails talking to the sales guys or even new car sales manager but go straight to the top grab the bull by the horns and make an appointment to have a chat with the Centre Principal or Dealer Pricipal or if you have the 'balls' you could even try and meet the Franchise Director who's decision it is who ultimately receives Potsche GT allocations depending on the OPC group.
If your story is convincing enough and they like you enough you may just receive an allocation but the odds are massively against you unfortunately as Porsche GTs are getting harder to get and not just because of Covid and reduced production one of my OPCs have received just 2 992 GT3s and this appears fairly typical group dependent.
I am still amazed who managed to receive a 911R allocation from one of my OPCs a few years back and it wasn't a regular Porsche buyer. I failed to get one. He still has the car btw.
If your story is convincing enough and they like you enough you may just receive an allocation but the odds are massively against you unfortunately as Porsche GTs are getting harder to get and not just because of Covid and reduced production one of my OPCs have received just 2 992 GT3s and this appears fairly typical group dependent.
I am still amazed who managed to receive a 911R allocation from one of my OPCs a few years back and it wasn't a regular Porsche buyer. I failed to get one. He still has the car btw.
hornbaek said:
GT4P said:
Being cash rich I would wait until the winter months when the crap really hits the fan and re access the situation! I for one I wouldn’t buy an expensive car at the moment I will wait it out. It’s happened before and fingers were burnt!
And although a second hand gt3 may come down in price and imo it will as the overs are ridiculous your current Porsche car will be hit harder.
This. And although a second hand gt3 may come down in price and imo it will as the overs are ridiculous your current Porsche car will be hit harder.
The market is at its last breath. We are approaching record high interest rates, fuel rates etc and this combined with the fact that there are still backlogs in the supply chain has created this “dead cat bounce”. We are looking into a very uncertain future so I would simply sit back and wait. There will be opportunities coming later this year.
YouTubers might have received their cars as a priority but that is a failing business model, when you need to constantly buy the newest and the greatest in order to create content.
hornbaek said:
This.
The market is at its last breath. We are approaching record high interest rates, fuel rates etc and this combined with the fact that there are still backlogs in the supply chain has created this “dead cat bounce”. We are looking into a very uncertain future so I would simply sit back and wait. There will be opportunities coming later this year.
YouTubers might have received their cars as a priority but that is a failing business model, when you need to constantly buy the newest and the greatest in order to create content.
Very much this. The market is at its last breath. We are approaching record high interest rates, fuel rates etc and this combined with the fact that there are still backlogs in the supply chain has created this “dead cat bounce”. We are looking into a very uncertain future so I would simply sit back and wait. There will be opportunities coming later this year.
YouTubers might have received their cars as a priority but that is a failing business model, when you need to constantly buy the newest and the greatest in order to create content.
New GT3 owners may question the logic of having a rarely used deprecating car of that value (some, not all). Some may need the cash to inject into their business or could use the money for another opportunity if the stock market/ housing market etc falls.
How you get a GT3 slot:
1. Have a relationship with your local OPC
2. Change your Porsche at least once a year or have more than one at a time
3. Preferably have a 911 and Cayenne (or Taycan) that you change regularly
4. ALWAYS go back to the same OPC and trade them back your cars
Contrary to what people say it does not cost a fortune. Buy a car from the first batch of any model, this means you can sell it back after a year with very little loss. In terms of ownership it costs less to buy and sell a new Porsche than it does a diesel 5 series BMW.
1. Have a relationship with your local OPC
2. Change your Porsche at least once a year or have more than one at a time
3. Preferably have a 911 and Cayenne (or Taycan) that you change regularly
4. ALWAYS go back to the same OPC and trade them back your cars
Contrary to what people say it does not cost a fortune. Buy a car from the first batch of any model, this means you can sell it back after a year with very little loss. In terms of ownership it costs less to buy and sell a new Porsche than it does a diesel 5 series BMW.
Have found that different people have gone down different paths, as said here already.
Think you've bought enough cars to make an appointment with your salesperson (or more senior if you can do it without looking like an arse). Salesmen can organise allocations though. Think they make a case to their management.
Explain that you're a genuine car and Porsche enthusiast, not just a luxury car buyer. Remind them of your commitment to the brand broadly, and then to the dealership (cars bought and cars traded in). Ask if you can have an allocation, and be clear that you won't flip it, as contrary to what's said on other threads here they don't like that.
Best of luck.
Think you've bought enough cars to make an appointment with your salesperson (or more senior if you can do it without looking like an arse). Salesmen can organise allocations though. Think they make a case to their management.
Explain that you're a genuine car and Porsche enthusiast, not just a luxury car buyer. Remind them of your commitment to the brand broadly, and then to the dealership (cars bought and cars traded in). Ask if you can have an allocation, and be clear that you won't flip it, as contrary to what's said on other threads here they don't like that.
Best of luck.
You may get more chance with some OPC’s over others depending on how the DP runs his or her business - this still will give you little chance.
Relationships tend to be rather one sided when the DP can pick and choose who he sells to and I personally doubt whether an individual SE can influence even the Sales Manager let alone the DP to grant you an allocation.
When my previously preferred dealer suggested that buying my wife a Cayenne Turbo might get me on a list to be considered for him to then consider putting me on a short list for an RS I decided enough was enough - I have typed that all correctly.
This was after 4 brand new 911’s and 2 brand new Cayennes and a GT3 and spending every penny on servicing etc with them.
My problem was the above was over a few years whereas buying 6 a year would obviously have been the answer.
I have also heard of some dealers at senior level involved in taking brown envelopes ( allegedly obviously ).
If desperate for one and you aren’t a friend or preferred customer then paying overs and retaining the car for a few years seems a fair idea though.
Moving manufacturers allegiance was my route albeit slightly cutting my own nose off.
Relationships tend to be rather one sided when the DP can pick and choose who he sells to and I personally doubt whether an individual SE can influence even the Sales Manager let alone the DP to grant you an allocation.
When my previously preferred dealer suggested that buying my wife a Cayenne Turbo might get me on a list to be considered for him to then consider putting me on a short list for an RS I decided enough was enough - I have typed that all correctly.
This was after 4 brand new 911’s and 2 brand new Cayennes and a GT3 and spending every penny on servicing etc with them.
My problem was the above was over a few years whereas buying 6 a year would obviously have been the answer.
I have also heard of some dealers at senior level involved in taking brown envelopes ( allegedly obviously ).
If desperate for one and you aren’t a friend or preferred customer then paying overs and retaining the car for a few years seems a fair idea though.
Moving manufacturers allegiance was my route albeit slightly cutting my own nose off.
Interesting question, we have bought 8 new cars from
the same OPC over a number of years, one of which was a new 718 GT4 PDK (which was amazing) and we have a deposit down on a new 992 and expression of interest on two electric Macans when they are finally launched. We recently expressed our interest in the possibility of a new gt3 order in the future on the bases on them having the GT4 back to make a good profit on, we were politely turned away and told sorry this won’t be possible.
This leaves us in a very difficult situation, we thought we had built a loyal relationship with our OPC buying new cars, buying extended warranties and using them for all serving and tyres over the years, but clearly we were wrong.
I would also be interested in hearing other peoples thoughts and experiences.
I’m a huge Porsche fan due to the quality and engineering, great level of customer service we have received from our opc service depart, but sadly this has made me think about the possibility of potentially trying a different brand.
the same OPC over a number of years, one of which was a new 718 GT4 PDK (which was amazing) and we have a deposit down on a new 992 and expression of interest on two electric Macans when they are finally launched. We recently expressed our interest in the possibility of a new gt3 order in the future on the bases on them having the GT4 back to make a good profit on, we were politely turned away and told sorry this won’t be possible.
This leaves us in a very difficult situation, we thought we had built a loyal relationship with our OPC buying new cars, buying extended warranties and using them for all serving and tyres over the years, but clearly we were wrong.
I would also be interested in hearing other peoples thoughts and experiences.
I’m a huge Porsche fan due to the quality and engineering, great level of customer service we have received from our opc service depart, but sadly this has made me think about the possibility of potentially trying a different brand.
Check this out! The 992 GT3 RS is finally announced! https://purelyporsche.com/the-992-gt3-rs-is-finall...
The way I got my 997 GT3 RS 4.0 back in the days and now the GT3 Touring as the first delivery from the OPC was quite straight forward. You simply select all the possible options on the list and also get some Porsche Exclusive Manufactur thrown in for good measure. Then you have pretty much created the most optioned new car possible and the OPC will do everything to get your car delivered as fast as possible so they can use your car as an template and show it to customers when they come in a spec their car. You end up with the most expensive new model, but at least you get it early, it is fully specced to your taste (and a bit more) and you don’t pay overs.
DMC2 said:
How you get a GT3 slot:
1. Have a relationship with your local OPC
2. Change your Porsche at least once a year or have more than one at a time
3. Preferably have a 911 and Cayenne (or Taycan) that you change regularly
4. ALWAYS go back to the same OPC and trade them back your cars
Contrary to what people say it does not cost a fortune. Buy a car from the first batch of any model, this means you can sell it back after a year with very little loss. In terms of ownership it costs less to buy and sell a new Porsche than it does a diesel 5 series BMW.
It's absolutely this. Don't pay any credence to the talk of underhand dealings. The most loyal customers to their respective OPC's get the limited cars. Obviously, a change in the macroeconomics will make a difference, but DMC is bang on with his post.1. Have a relationship with your local OPC
2. Change your Porsche at least once a year or have more than one at a time
3. Preferably have a 911 and Cayenne (or Taycan) that you change regularly
4. ALWAYS go back to the same OPC and trade them back your cars
Contrary to what people say it does not cost a fortune. Buy a car from the first batch of any model, this means you can sell it back after a year with very little loss. In terms of ownership it costs less to buy and sell a new Porsche than it does a diesel 5 series BMW.
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