Vertical Farming anyone?

Vertical Farming anyone?

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W4NTED

Original Poster:

767 posts

229 months

Thursday 11th August 2022
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Anyone here in to or getting in to vertical farming? Seems like its the way forward for the farming sector with lots of recent news articles etc.


BorkBorkBork

731 posts

66 months

Thursday 11th August 2022
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I looked at the economics of it a few years ago. Given that the technology then would only really allow you to grow herbs, leafy greens, lettuces etc. the economics just didn’t stack up unless you really were going to scale. And the upfront investment to scale is huge.

The technology might have moved on in the last 5 years, but we aren’t growing wheat, barley or any other staple crops in vertical farms anytime soon. Although, it is gaining traction:

https://vertical-farming.net/blog/2022/04/30/wheat...

But the costs to create the first vertical arable farm producing any decent volume of wheat will costs millions to set up.

NMNeil

5,860 posts

65 months

Thursday 11th August 2022
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BorkBorkBork said:
I looked at the economics of it a few years ago. Given that the technology then would only really allow you to grow herbs, leafy greens, lettuces etc. the economics just didn’t stack up unless you really were going to scale. And the upfront investment to scale is huge.

The technology might have moved on in the last 5 years, but we aren’t growing wheat, barley or any other staple crops in vertical farms anytime soon. Although, it is gaining traction:

https://vertical-farming.net/blog/2022/04/30/wheat...

But the costs to create the first vertical arable farm producing any decent volume of wheat will costs millions to set up.
This is seeing some interest here with our drought conditions and the realization that so much arable land is wasted growing animal feed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVTVfoqepp0

Simpo Two

89,070 posts

280 months

Thursday 11th August 2022
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Is 'vertical farming' the new buzzword for hydroponics?

Turn7

24,739 posts

236 months

Thursday 11th August 2022
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Simpo Two said:
Is 'vertical farming' the new buzzword for hydroponics?
Kind of, but in some cases, it does "stack up".....

Simpo Two

89,070 posts

280 months

Thursday 11th August 2022
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Turn7 said:
Simpo Two said:
Is 'vertical farming' the new buzzword for hydroponics?
Kind of, but in some cases, it does "stack up".....
IIRC the Dutch have done it with tomatoes for years.

The problem with applying it to arable crops is profit per unit area. It can't work - unless you want to pay 10x for bread.

Turn7

24,739 posts

236 months

Thursday 11th August 2022
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Simpo Two said:
Turn7 said:
Simpo Two said:
Is 'vertical farming' the new buzzword for hydroponics?
Kind of, but in some cases, it does "stack up".....
IIRC the Dutch have done it with tomatoes for years.

The problem with applying it to arable crops is profit per unit area. It can't work - unless you want to pay 10x for bread.
Exactly my point......

StevieBee

14,217 posts

270 months

Friday 12th August 2022
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Turn7 said:
Simpo Two said:
Is 'vertical farming' the new buzzword for hydroponics?
Kind of, but in some cases, it does "stack up".....
I see what you did there smile

Wilkin & Sons (makers of Tiptree Jam) have gone vertical on a massive scale for fruit farming. This is a precursor to robotic picking tech being developed at the University of Essex. Really rather fascinating stuff.

Evanivitch

24,445 posts

137 months

Friday 12th August 2022
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Simpo Two said:
Is 'vertical farming' the new buzzword for hydroponics?
Yes, but also including lighting, CO2 control, temperature management and it's not necessarily without soil. It's more the artificial atmosphere that crops are grown in.

Simpo Two

89,070 posts

280 months

Friday 12th August 2022
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Evanivitch said:
Yes, but also including lighting, CO2 control, temperature management and it's not necessarily without soil. It's more the artificial atmosphere that crops are grown in.
Thanks. Makes excellent sense biologically, the numbers just have to add up.

StevieBee said:
Wilkin & Sons (makers of Tiptree Jam) have gone vertical on a massive scale for fruit farming. This is a precursor to robotic picking tech being developed at the University of Essex. Really rather fascinating stuff.
So the orchards can be grubbed up and sold for housing? I hope not.

StevieBee

14,217 posts

270 months

Friday 12th August 2022
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Simpo Two said:
StevieBee said:
Wilkin & Sons (makers of Tiptree Jam) have gone vertical on a massive scale for fruit farming. This is a precursor to robotic picking tech being developed at the University of Essex. Really rather fascinating stuff.
So the orchards can be grubbed up and sold for housing? I hope not.
I doubt it. The tech is only for the strawberries.

Largechris

2,019 posts

106 months

Friday 12th August 2022
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StevieBee said:
Turn7 said:
Simpo Two said:
Is 'vertical farming' the new buzzword for hydroponics?
Kind of, but in some cases, it does "stack up".....
I see what you did there smile

Wilkin & Sons (makers of Tiptree Jam) have gone vertical on a massive scale for fruit farming. This is a precursor to robotic picking tech being developed at the University of Essex. Really rather fascinating stuff.
Not sure Tiptree is strictly vertical farming as such, more an efficient use of space and water.

StevieBee

14,217 posts

270 months

Friday 12th August 2022
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Largechris said:
StevieBee said:
Turn7 said:
Simpo Two said:
Is 'vertical farming' the new buzzword for hydroponics?
Kind of, but in some cases, it does "stack up".....
I see what you did there smile

Wilkin & Sons (makers of Tiptree Jam) have gone vertical on a massive scale for fruit farming. This is a precursor to robotic picking tech being developed at the University of Essex. Really rather fascinating stuff.
Not sure Tiptree is strictly vertical farming as such, more an efficient use of space and water.
Same principle, no?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3XUXH76YBE

Largechris

2,019 posts

106 months

Friday 12th August 2022
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StevieBee said:
Largechris said:
StevieBee said:
Turn7 said:
Simpo Two said:
Is 'vertical farming' the new buzzword for hydroponics?
Kind of, but in some cases, it does "stack up".....
I see what you did there smile

Wilkin & Sons (makers of Tiptree Jam) have gone vertical on a massive scale for fruit farming. This is a precursor to robotic picking tech being developed at the University of Essex. Really rather fascinating stuff.
Not sure Tiptree is strictly vertical farming as such, more an efficient use of space and water.
Same principle, no?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3XUXH76YBE
Not that it matters, but there's no lights (eg LEDs at the most efficient wavelengths for photosyntesis), CO2 control etc.

Just a question of definition.

dudleybloke

20,553 posts

201 months

Friday 12th August 2022
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sunbeam alpine

7,179 posts

203 months

Friday 12th August 2022
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Simpo Two said:
Is 'vertical farming' the new buzzword for hydroponics?
I hope so. That sounds better than uphill gardening...

Wilmslowboy

4,551 posts

221 months

Saturday 18th January
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Any update on this.....I'm looking at a property (farmhouse and land) plus over 1,000 sq meters of barns and looking for ideas what to do with them.


Evanivitch

24,445 posts

137 months

Saturday 18th January
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Wilmslowboy said:
Any update on this.....I'm looking at a property (farmhouse and land) plus over 1,000 sq meters of barns and looking for ideas what to do with them.
Unless you have a source of very cheap energy or a very valuable crop, it's a non starter in the UK.

Wilmslowboy

4,551 posts

221 months

Saturday 18th January
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Evanivitch said:
Wilmslowboy said:
Any update on this.....I'm looking at a property (farmhouse and land) plus over 1,000 sq meters of barns and looking for ideas what to do with them.
Unless you have a source of very cheap energy or a very valuable crop, it's a non starter in the UK.
Thanks - Stumbled on a few videos that echoed what you said.

Shame - I was hoping to find something interesting to do with the barns.




Tim Cognito

740 posts

22 months

Saturday 18th January
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Interesting idea, how do you get the cows up in the air?