Ryanair boss wants post-Brexit immigration rethink

[s1962a]

So Ryanair are crying because they can't hire people in the UK? Maybe pay them better or offer more training?

Michael O'Leary said:

"And we have this bizarre situation at the moment that in the UK I can get visas to bring Moroccans to come in and work as cabin crew. But I can't get visas for Portuguese or Italians or Slovakian youngsters. We just need a bit of more common sense and a practical approach to how we implement Brexit," he told BBC Radio 4.

[s1962a]

https://www.glassdoor.co.uk/Hourly-Pay/Ryanair-Cab...

Ryanair cabin crew make on average £8 an hour according to glassdoor

[ZedLeg]

Yikes, I'm guessing that's legal because the staff technically don't work in the UK?

No wonder they can't find people to work.

[Vanden Saab]

s1962a said:

So Ryanair are crying because they can't hire people in the UK? Maybe pay them better or offer more training?

Michael O'Leary said:

"And we have this bizarre situation at the moment that in the UK I can get visas to bring Moroccans to come in and work as cabin crew. But I can't get visas for Portuguese or Italians or Slovakian youngsters. We just need a bit of more common sense and a practical approach to how we implement Brexit," he told BBC Radio 4.

Ryanair boss bemoans the fact that he can only get brown people to work on his planes.. anti-racists are silent...

[ZedLeg]

He's bemoaning the fact that he can't hire folk from the Med.

TBH I think this might be the first positive thing I've seen of brexit. force companies to pay decent wages to find staff

[deadslow]

ZedLeg said:

He's bemoaning the fact that he can't hire folk from the Med.

TBH I think this might be the first positive thing I've seen of brexit. force companies to pay decent wages to find staff

businesses up and down the country cannot recruit staff for love nor money. We're around 1.3m short of available people. It's denting GDP and will put some folks out of business.

[anonymous-user]

My next door neighbour is a pilot for EasyJet, he said lots of cabin crew quit during the pandemic and went and got other jobs. I would also imagine that a lot of the EU employees went home during Covid and just haven't come back.

So apparently now all that is happening is that the airlines are poaching staff from each other, but not solving the issue that new employees don't want to do the job, especially for the money being offered.

Surely it is obvious that if they want to recruit staff they have to pay them a salary to make them want to do this job?

[anonymous-user]

Joey Deacon said:

Surely it is obvious that if they want to recruit staff they have to pay them a salary to make them want to do this job?

Their business model is based on screwing employees.

They got away with it pre covid, can't anymore as a lot of staff got dumped and found better jobs and now wont go back ever, as it's st work.

[crankedup5]

deadslow said:

ZedLeg said:

He's bemoaning the fact that he can't hire folk from the Med.

TBH I think this might be the first positive thing I've seen of brexit. force companies to pay decent wages to find staff

businesses up and down the country cannot recruit staff for love nor money. We're around 1.3m short of available people. It's denting GDP and will put some folks out of business.

Shortage of labour is not a problem confined to the U.K. It’s the same problem across mainland Europe.

[ZedLeg]

jsf said:

Joey Deacon said:

Surely it is obvious that if they want to recruit staff they have to pay them a salary to make them want to do this job?

Their business model is based on screwing employees.

They got away with it pre covid, can't anymore as a lot of staff got dumped and found better jobs and now wont go back ever, as it's st work.

Aye, a lot of service industry companies all over the world are learning the same lesson. People aren't willing to come back to st jobs with st conditions and st pay.

[Previous]

deadslow said:

businesses up and down the country cannot recruit staff for love nor money. We're around 1.3m short of available people. It's denting GDP and will put some folks out of business.

Have many of them, especially Ryanair, actually tried money though?

Just more of it.

As much as I'm critical of the implementation of Brexit, it was known that cheap EU labour was suppressing wages.

Wages will have to rise.

That is coming with a whole host of other issues and consequential effects, including higher prices. Far from a smooth process.

[snotrag]

Joey Deacon said:

My next door neighbour is a pilot for EasyJet, he said lots of cabin crew quit during the pandemic and went and got other jobs. I would also imagine that a lot of the EU employees went home during Covid and just haven't come back.

So apparently now all that is happening is that the airlines are poaching staff from each other, but not solving the issue that new employees don't want to do the job, especially for the money being offered.

Surely it is obvious that if they want to recruit staff they have to pay them a salary to make them want to do this job?

I also work for an airline and the airlines that are having issues are the ones that

- laid everyone off instead of supporting them using tools like furlough
- dont pay very well

This is really true for any company, not just airlines but - the ones that are struggling, can only blame themselves. Some of us are not having issues and theres reasons for that.

[ChocolateFrog]

Seems pertinent.



Bosses moaning about having no staff reminds of the people on here asking why their car won't sell.

[Digga]

crankedup5 said:

deadslow said:

ZedLeg said:

He's bemoaning the fact that he can't hire folk from the Med.

TBH I think this might be the first positive thing I've seen of brexit. force companies to pay decent wages to find staff

businesses up and down the country cannot recruit staff for love nor money. We're around 1.3m short of available people. It's denting GDP and will put some folks out of business.

Shortage of labour is not a problem confined to the U.K. It’s the same problem across mainland Europe.

Same in USA too in many industries.

This is primarily the result of three years of global lockdown and travel restrictions. Certainly though, Brexit and taking back control (mindlessly) of borders did not help.

[s1962a]

I fly Ryanair a few times a year, and if you follow the rules they are generally an efficient airline, with pleasant staff. Yes I understand my £60 quid flight to mainland Europe will get more expensive and im sure people will cough up the extra if overheads like staff pay go up. Attract people with decent pay and you might be able to recruit and retain staff.

[s1962a]

snotrag said:

I also work for an airline and the airlines that are having issues are the ones that

- laid everyone off instead of supporting them using tools like furlough
- dont pay very well

This is really true for any company, not just airlines but - the ones that are struggling, can only blame themselves. Some of us are not having issues and theres reasons for that.

This is a good point. If your business model is only sustainable with cheap labour, and the current labour market doesn't support that anymore, you're gonna have to make some tough decisions.

[crankedup5]

Difficult concept for some people to grasp it seems, workers require decent wages and T&C in return for working for a Company that likes to make a profit. Or put another way, slice the pie in alternative sizes required.

[Kermit power]

Previous said:

deadslow said:

businesses up and down the country cannot recruit staff for love nor money. We're around 1.3m short of available people. It's denting GDP and will put some folks out of business.

Have many of them, especially Ryanair, actually tried money though?

Just more of it.

As much as I'm critical of the implementation of Brexit, it was known that cheap EU labour was suppressing wages.

Wages will have to rise.

That is coming with a whole host of other issues and consequential effects, including higher prices. Far from a smooth process.

Have you actually seen any concrete evidence that it was suppressing wages?

We've had full employment here for ages, even with the gates fully open, and that's driven by the fact that we pay out the State pension far too early, meaning we have an ever greater need for immigration. That is not a scenario conducive to wage suppression.

If wages have been suppressed here, the complete failure to increase productivity for the past couple of decades probably has more to do with it.

The saddest thing of all, though, is the number of people who are convinced that Brexit will push up UK wages, when in fact the more likely outcome in a global economy is that any increase in wages would just push jobs out of the UK. Surely something like an airline is the obvious example... You're always going to reach a point where it becomes cheaper to employ people at the other end of the routes!

[bristolracer]

I'm looking for work right now and employers are shocking
Go for interviews, and not even a courtesy email to thanks but no thanks.
It's just plain rude.

[crankedup5]

s1962a said:

snotrag said:

I also work for an airline and the airlines that are having issues are the ones that

- laid everyone off instead of supporting them using tools like furlough
- dont pay very well

This is really true for any company, not just airlines but - the ones that are struggling, can only blame themselves. Some of us are not having issues and theres reasons for that.

This is a good point. If your business model is only sustainable with cheap labour, and the current labour market doesn't support that anymore, you're gonna have to make some tough decisions.

Surprised that so many businesses have apparently been ‘caught out’ with recruitment problems.
Must have known that the U.K. stepping away from the EU would present challenges in labour markets.