Russian seizure of commercial aircraft - what happens next?
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As above the moment there not serviced and maintained in accordance with the manufacturer and international regulatory standards they are never going to leave Russian airspace again. No other country would let them in.
Russian regional airlines have inherited some cheap aircraft.
Russia have managed to royally isolate themselves from the rest of the world.
Russian regional airlines have inherited some cheap aircraft.
Russia have managed to royally isolate themselves from the rest of the world.
MB140 said:
Russia have managed to royally isolate themselves from the rest of the world.
Or to put it another way, they're taking what they want and care not a jot if it buggers up the rest of the world. They use their own rules, and regard the body count as an achievement. And the EU sends them a billion euros a day - because they have to to keep the lights on. https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2022/04/06/eu-h...I’m still amazed at how little press this is getting. The Russians stole 400 Commerical aircraft worth, what, $10 billion? How are they going to maintain this fleet? When will they start to fail? Will they ever be given access to western aircraft again in our lifetimes? Who is having to foot this bill, what effect does this have on the Boeing/ airbus. Is this not the greatest scandal in aviation history?
Edited by Itsallicanafford on Saturday 11th June 21:32
CrgT16 said:
It is incredible what they get away with they are just criminals!! The population, brainwashed or not is siding with them. No different to the German population under Nazi rule
They believe what their media tell them,We, on the other hand, being smarter... believe what our media tell us.
Itsallicanafford said:
I’m still amazed at how little press this is getting. The Russians stole 400 Commerical aircraft worth, what, $10 billion? How are they going to maintain this fleet? When will they start to fail? Will they ever be given access to western aircraft again in our lifetimes? Who is having to foot this bill, what effect does this have on the Boeing/ airbus. Is this not the greatest scandal in aviation history?
Stolen or impounded for the duration? They may just be left to rot; Russia's good at that. Either way, yes, remarkable I saw no mention of it on the any news, just months of Partygate fetish.Manufacturers won’t care once Russia returns to the fold whenever that may be.
If Aeroflot or whoever offers the chance to supply numerous new aircraft they’ll be tripping over themselves to supply them.
Yes, current aircraft will be ‘lost’ in that they’ll never leave Russian and her allies airspace again and will slowly be cannibalised to keep what’s left aloft but once the great unpleasantness is over and after a suitable time of contrition they’ll have Boeing and Airbus knocking on the door. If they don’t then the Chinese will.
If Aeroflot or whoever offers the chance to supply numerous new aircraft they’ll be tripping over themselves to supply them.
Yes, current aircraft will be ‘lost’ in that they’ll never leave Russian and her allies airspace again and will slowly be cannibalised to keep what’s left aloft but once the great unpleasantness is over and after a suitable time of contrition they’ll have Boeing and Airbus knocking on the door. If they don’t then the Chinese will.
RizzoTheRat said:
Presumably when all this is over nobody will ever lease them any aircraft again, or will corporate greed exceed corporate memory?
I’d want paying the full lease amount upfront and a deposit for the remaining value of the aircrafts value as well. Once they return it they get there deposit back. I can see with sanctions and the general distrust of all things Russian it’s going to be a long long time before Russia will interact with the rest of the world in any normality for quite some time.
MB140 said:
I’d want paying the full lease amount upfront and a deposit for the remaining value of the aircrafts value as well.
Once they return it they get there deposit back. I can see with sanctions and the general distrust of all things Russian it’s going to be a long long time before Russia, will interact with the rest of the world other than China in any normality for quite some time.
Sadly, EFA IMO.Once they return it they get there deposit back. I can see with sanctions and the general distrust of all things Russian it’s going to be a long long time before Russia, will interact with the rest of the world other than China in any normality for quite some time.
MB140 said:
RizzoTheRat said:
Presumably when all this is over nobody will ever lease them any aircraft again, or will corporate greed exceed corporate memory?
I’d want paying the full lease amount upfront and a deposit for the remaining value of the aircrafts value as well. Once they return it they get there deposit back. I can see with sanctions and the general distrust of all things Russian it’s going to be a long long time before Russia will interact with the rest of the world in any normality for quite some time.
valiant said:
Manufacturers won’t care once Russia returns to the fold whenever that may be.
If Aeroflot or whoever offers the chance to supply numerous new aircraft they’ll be tripping over themselves to supply them.
If the insurance system in the West takes such a hammering from this situation, it maybe that the leasing companies will be declined insurance on them if leasing to Russia at any time in the future.If Aeroflot or whoever offers the chance to supply numerous new aircraft they’ll be tripping over themselves to supply them.
valiant said:
Manufacturers won’t care once Russia returns to the fold whenever that may be.
Russia have pissed all over the established international order. If you do that then it's good night. It will take many decades or a very visible regime change for any trust to be restored. Anything that requires meeting obligations, sticking to contracts or good will, which would include a plane bought outright, let alone leased like most of them are, it's over. Their bridges are burnt. No one's done it before. No one ever will again when they see the fallout.
Most of the existing aircraft inside Russia will be useless within a short time. It's not a thing you can operate cut off from the usual sources. They're voracious consumers of parts and there's no way of getting them.
Stunningly stupid on their part.
Edited by bloomen on Tuesday 14th June 21:37
Just seen this thread.
There’s still A LOT of flying over Russia. I’m sure all the press said the planes would fall out of the sky in a matter of weeks.
Does anyone know the financial outcome - as I understand it quite a few of the planes were leased from Irish based firms.
Currently -
There’s still A LOT of flying over Russia. I’m sure all the press said the planes would fall out of the sky in a matter of weeks.
Does anyone know the financial outcome - as I understand it quite a few of the planes were leased from Irish based firms.
Currently -
Petrus1983 said:
There’s still A LOT of flying over Russia. I’m sure all the press said the planes would fall out of the sky in a matter of weeks.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/08/03/russian-pilots-told-brake-less-spare-parts-run/This article gives them five years before it's all over. I presume by then they might have more domestic production of aircraft, though I'm sure there'll be some corners that previously didn't need cutting.
Some sanctions are being rolled back including aircraft ones.
ch-aviation said:
As part of a revised “maintenance and alignment” package of sanctions against Russia which the Council of the European Union adopted on July 21 was the easing of restrictive measures on aircraft spare parts and technology for the Russian aviation sector...
The raft of clarifications and, in most areas, additional sanctions listed in Council Decision (CFSP) 2022/1271 and Council Regulation (EU) 2022/1269 mentioned aviation only briefly. They now deem it “appropriate” to “allow the sharing of technical assistance with Russia for aviation goods and technology insofar as it is needed to safeguard the technical industrial standard setting work of the International Civil Aviation Organisation (ICAO).”
https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news/117706-eu-...The raft of clarifications and, in most areas, additional sanctions listed in Council Decision (CFSP) 2022/1271 and Council Regulation (EU) 2022/1269 mentioned aviation only briefly. They now deem it “appropriate” to “allow the sharing of technical assistance with Russia for aviation goods and technology insofar as it is needed to safeguard the technical industrial standard setting work of the International Civil Aviation Organisation (ICAO).”
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