F1 Liberty - commercial over history or prestige

F1 Liberty - commercial over history or prestige

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super7

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2,003 posts

214 months

Friday 10th June 2022
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It seems some of our favourite races (ok.. maybe not france!!) are looking like they are getting stitched up on race contract renewals in favour of Glamour locations and st circuits!

At risk.... Spa, France, Monaco, probably UK at some point as it's always threatened.

Should the history of F1 be wiped out in favour of concrete monolith circuits with catch fencing built on brown-field locations?????

Do we want to lose SPA in favour of Vegas, Monoco in favour of Florida, France in favour of Saudi??

The Yanks may have a hand on the entertainment side, but it's becoming out of reach to the normal punter again (Florida tickets!!!!) and the seem to totally disregard the past.

I would much prefer a big open circuit than a closed in concrete & catch fenced lined monstrosity!!

TheDeuce

24,376 posts

72 months

Friday 10th June 2022
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So long as the historic circuits remain popular, they remain on the calendar - because they're worth a fortune in TV rights monies even if they can't afford to pay as much as some of the newer locations. The only historic circuits in danger are those that people are bored of and no longer tune in to watch - and if that's the case then... what is there to say? Fair enough, time is up.

The circuits that are 'always in trouble' come renewal time are posturing, it's part of their negotiating stance. The reason they all pretend they'll go bust without a better deal is because they know how valuable they still are to the sport and are playing on that. Monaco for instance have lots to negotiate right now, so they're making lots of noise about it - as are Liberty. But at the end of the day, it's the most viewed established date on the calendar so it's really not in danger at all.

Accept the logic and stark business realities of a commercial sport. All things change over time, sometimes not the way you desire them to change, but one way or another typically in the way that the (often silent) majority do desire.


thegreenhell

16,843 posts

225 months

Friday 10th June 2022
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They're American. They have no concept of history or prestige. They're slowly turning it into Indycar.

realjv

1,136 posts

172 months

Friday 10th June 2022
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This isn't a new 'Liberty' thing, Bernie played these games for years. Arguably Liberty have a slightly stronger hand to play than Bernie ever did due to F1's current popularity boom but that's debatable and It's not like Liberty had nothing to do with the boom.

TheDeuce said:
The circuits that are 'always in trouble' come renewal time are posturing, it's part of their negotiating stance. The reason they all pretend they'll go bust without a better deal is because they know how valuable they still are to the sport and are playing on that. Monaco for instance have lots to negotiate right now, so they're making lots of noise about it - as are Liberty. But at the end of the day, it's the most viewed established date on the calendar so it's really not in danger at all.
And a year off so everybody can have a good think about what they've done and what they really want wouldn't be a surprise.




super7

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2,003 posts

214 months

Friday 10th June 2022
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To me.... Formula E covers the downtown street thing. The FE circuits are all the same, ugly, dominated by concrete walls and high fences. The backdrop might be great, but the circuit is grim.

F1 is best on large open circuits, not poorly designed street circuits. F1 should be on circuits like Silverstone, Nurburgring, Imola, Muggelo, Barcelona, Road America, COTA etc etc. Not Saudi, Miami. Vegas and all the new pop-up circuits created in some brown-field location.

The FIA should ensure that these circuits do not become the dominant style over the traditional circuit.

Eric Mc

122,699 posts

271 months

Friday 10th June 2022
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We had these conversations as far back as 1976 - when American races like Long Beach (and later Dallas, Detroit and Phoenix) arrived.