Is braided brake-hose fitted to any production car?

[OldDuffer]

For fear of this becoming 'Brake thread Bingo', (you've all read 'em...) will some of you settle an argument for us?

Q: Ford to Ferrari, past or present, are there examples of mainstream manufacturers fitting braided brake-hose as stock?

Edited by OldDuffer on Wednesday 8th June 09:54

[alec.e]

Jaguar do on quite a few cars, my XJs did

Not fully braided, but visible metal wire reinforcement

[Krikkit]

alec.e said:

Jaguar do on quite a few cars, my XJs did

Not fully braided, but visible metal wire reinforcement

Yep Goodridge lines as OEM - definitely braided. Same on the XK.

[OldDuffer]

Proper, proper braided, not as above - rubber with a spring-protection? I'm surprised, and I've lost a bet!

[guards red]

Ford Racing Puma

[gazza285]

I would hopefully say not, stainless braided hoses are not hardy enough for everyday motoring, it is too easily damaged.

[OldDuffer]

guards red said:

Ford Racing Puma

Did the vanilla Puma have braided? If I have it right, the 'Racing' (know very little about them) was limited-production?

[OldDuffer]

gazza285 said:

I would hopefully say not, stainless braided hoses are not hardy enough for everyday motoring, it is too easily damaged.

I'd have agreed with you, and you'll not see the damage. Not for long-term road-car use. Apparently, (if in the bulk of production) Jaguar say different.

Edited by OldDuffer on Wednesday 8th June 11:14

[Krikkit]

OldDuffer said:

guards red said:

Ford Racing Puma

Did the vanilla Puma have braided? If I have it right, the 'Racing' (know very little about them) was limited-production?

Nope, standard.

OldDuffer said:

gazza285 said:

I would hopefully say not, stainless braided hoses are not hardy enough for everyday motoring, it is too easily damaged.

I'd have agreed with you, and you'll not see the damage. Not for long-term road-car use. Apparently, (if in the bulk of production) Jaguar say different.

The ones I'm talking about are the type where it's a nylon inner, steel braid wrapped around the outside, then the whole thing is coated in plastic to protect it.



This is just external braid:



Externally braided without a plastic coating would be daft on a road car

[anonymous-user]

It's almost like every single OEM knows more than aftermarket purveyors of tat. Once again.

[itcaptainslow]

My S3 Lotus Elise has them from the factory.

[CraigyMc]

itcaptainslow said:

My S3 Lotus Elise has them from the factory.

Was about to write that all modern lotuses have this as original equipment.

[cobra kid]

Stock or standard?

[2ono]

Caterham 420R's definitely do.

[OldDuffer]

itcaptainslow said:

My S3 Lotus Elise has them from the factory.

Them?

Krikkit said:

The ones I'm talking about are the type where it's a nylon inner, steel braid wrapped around the outside, then the whole thing is coated in plastic to protect it.

Ah, we're not talking about the same thing, whatever the outer covering, I'd say a steel braid wrapped outer was not suitable for long-term use in a road-car. Race-use only. Looks 'race' yet damages too easily. Rubber can be inspected, less likely to miss delamination at MOT - hence less law-suits. Jaguar - and it looks like we might add Lotus to the list, see it differently.

Edited by OldDuffer on Wednesday 8th June 12:25

[OldDuffer]

I don't think we can include Caterham, and Lotus are borderline. Perhaps I've phrased the question poorly.

Is braided brake-hose fitted to any FULL production car, in major manufacture.

Edited by OldDuffer on Wednesday 8th June 12:36

[guards red]

OldDuffer said:

Did the vanilla Puma have braided? If I have it right, the 'Racing' (know very little about them) was limited-production?

No, not the standard Puma, just the Racing of which there was 500. A production car though...

[Robb F]

stickleback123 said:

It's almost like every single OEM knows more than aftermarket purveyors of tat. Once again.

It's almost like OEMs are designing cars to a different set of criteria than those required by someone modifying a car, one of the main ones being making everything as cheap as possible.

[OldDuffer]

stickleback123 said:

It's almost like every single OEM knows more than aftermarket purveyors of tat. Once again.

How dare you. You made me smile. And they don't want to be in court.

guards red said:

No, not the standard Puma, just the Racing of which there was 500. A production car though...

Fair enough. i think we see a theme here. Can't seem to find too many full production cars without a 'racing' or 'track-day' bias with braided hose.

Edited by OldDuffer on Wednesday 8th June 13:02

[OldDuffer]

Robb F said:

It's almost like OEMs are designing cars to a different set of criteria than those required by someone modifying a car, one of the main ones being making everything as cheap as possible.

BINGO. They like low legal bills.

Edited by OldDuffer on Wednesday 8th June 13:08