Man dies following jump into Thames, after Police taser him
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Yep, definately the fuzz to blame. They should have allowed him to continue intimidating people, and as long as he only stabbed a couple of them, then that's fine. In fact they should have got a cup of tea for him. As for stopping him going for a swim by pulling him out of the water, well that is just infringing his rights.
I jest of course. In reality your mate who thinks the police were to blame is an utter bellend and frankly you need more intelligent friends.
Kick off in a public place, refuse to co-operate with the cops and then jump off a bridge.... sorry - mental health issues or not, play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
I jest of course. In reality your mate who thinks the police were to blame is an utter bellend and frankly you need more intelligent friends.
Kick off in a public place, refuse to co-operate with the cops and then jump off a bridge.... sorry - mental health issues or not, play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
Depends on the circumstances, and the full exchange between the officers and the suspect/victim. In the video, he heems to be in excruciating pain when electrocuted by the taser. As a result of the severity of that pain, particularly if he had a history of mental illness, after being tasered, he may well have believed that he was grave in danger, and jumped in the river in fear, possibly of his life, as the lesser of the two evils facing him. He may have been suicidal and/or psychotic, and what I can see in that video does not inspire confidence that the actions of the officers were quite the correct ones under the circumstances; however, I would like the chance to scrutinise all the available evidence. Somehow, I fear that we may not get the opportunity to do so.
Care in the community wins again it seems
The male was recently released from a mental health institution as they believed he was able to support himself according to reports
Essentially nothing to see here for the frother’s
Some of the reporting from the MSM especially the BBC was disgraceful and inflammatory
There’s footage on social media that shows the full events clearly
Tragic loss of life but not the fault of the Police
The male was recently released from a mental health institution as they believed he was able to support himself according to reports
Essentially nothing to see here for the frother’s
Some of the reporting from the MSM especially the BBC was disgraceful and inflammatory
There’s footage on social media that shows the full events clearly
Tragic loss of life but not the fault of the Police
QuickQuack said:
I would like the chance to scrutinise all the available evidence. Somehow, I fear that we may not get the opportunity to do so.
The IOPC ( I = Independent) will investigate and publish their report/findings The matter will go to the Coroner who will hold an inquest .. not only will the report/findings be published but it will be held in public so you can attend and listen to all the evidence and hear the officers justify their actions yourself which will give you plenty of opportunity to scrutinise
Subsequently if there are any criminal matters found then that will be held in a public court, likewise any Police discipline proceedings will be held in public
Feel free to attend any/all of them
Edited by Earthdweller on Tuesday 7th June 21:12
QuickQuack said:
what I can see in that video does not inspire confidence that the actions of the officers were quite the correct ones under the circumstances
What else could they have done? Knock him over with a car? Shoot the weapon out of his hand? Hit him with a judo chop to the neck and knock him out? Looked like after the taser had been cycled a number of times the bloke was able to break the wires and escape. I can't see what more they could have done to safely resolve the situation, unless they had a bola gun in the car that I'm not aware of.
QuickQuack said:
Depends on the circumstances, and the full exchange between the officers and the suspect/victim. In the video, he heems to be in excruciating pain when electrocuted by the taser. As a result of the severity of that pain, particularly if he had a history of mental illness, after being tasered, he may well have believed that he was grave in danger, and jumped in the river in fear, possibly of his life, as the lesser of the two evils facing him. He may have been suicidal and/or psychotic, and what I can see in that video does not inspire confidence that the actions of the officers were quite the correct ones under the circumstances; however, I would like the chance to scrutinise all the available evidence. Somehow, I fear that we may not get the opportunity to do so.
What should the coppers have done then, in your opinion?The Taser didn't seem very effective on this occasion, which happens regularly for a number of reasons.
Cops would normally jump straight on him and handcuff him whilst he is subdued by the effects of the taster, but that didn't happen.
I can understand them being hesitant getting hands on with him, due to him carrying a weapon and his mental state.
Sadly I reckon the non Tasering cop is in for a rough time with internal disciplinary, as it's classed as a death in police contact (or even custody) and the Met will want heads to roll, which might be his head.
That cops inaction may be blamed for the death, as had he tried to restrain him he might not have run off, jumped and died.
Dammed if they do and dammed if they don't.
Cops would normally jump straight on him and handcuff him whilst he is subdued by the effects of the taster, but that didn't happen.
I can understand them being hesitant getting hands on with him, due to him carrying a weapon and his mental state.
Sadly I reckon the non Tasering cop is in for a rough time with internal disciplinary, as it's classed as a death in police contact (or even custody) and the Met will want heads to roll, which might be his head.
That cops inaction may be blamed for the death, as had he tried to restrain him he might not have run off, jumped and died.
Dammed if they do and dammed if they don't.
Earthdweller said:
Care in the community wins again it seems
The male was recently released from a mental health institution as they believed he was able to support himself according to reports
Essentially nothing to see here for the frother’s
Some of the reporting from the MSM especially the BBC was disgraceful and inflammatory
There’s footage on social media that shows the full events clearly
Tragic loss of life but not the fault of the Police
Yes another sad situation , The male was recently released from a mental health institution as they believed he was able to support himself according to reports
Essentially nothing to see here for the frother’s
Some of the reporting from the MSM especially the BBC was disgraceful and inflammatory
There’s footage on social media that shows the full events clearly
Tragic loss of life but not the fault of the Police
Don Roque said:
What else could they have done? Knock him over with a car? Shoot the weapon out of his hand?
This clip shows the male dropped the screwdriver after being tasered. It also shows a cop shoving the screwdriver away with his foot . So that cop knew the male was no longer armed. So as the male was now unarmed if he wasn't respondingvto verbal commands it was time to go hands on.Just my opinion.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=imnHa9g0NEw
Edit Of course I'm not Taser trained. No idea what the protocols are for multiple uses prior to physical restraint.
Edited by irc on Tuesday 7th June 22:11
irc said:
Don Roque said:
What else could they have done? Knock him over with a car? Shoot the weapon out of his hand?
This clip shows the male dropped the screwdriver after being tasered. It also shows a cop shoving the screwdriver away with his foot . So that cop knew the male was no longer armed. So as the male was now unarmed if he wasn't respondingvto verbal commands it was time to go hands on.Just my opinion.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=imnHa9g0NEw
Edit Of course I'm not Taser trained. No idea what the protocols are for multiple uses prior to physical restraint.
Edited by irc on Tuesday 7th June 22:11
Two PC’s v a male that Taser was having little effect on?
So they jump on him and potentially pin him down, a male who is suffering an extreme mental health crisis, possibly has excited delirium and where physical restraint can be absolutely the worst thing the officers could do as sadly has been proved to be the case on a number of occasions
Physically restraining someone in those circumstances can have serious and potentially fatal consequences for the detainee setting aside the injuries he may cause to the officers
I agree that the police could have done a better job.
I've been tasered as part of our training and we call it the 5 second ride because that's how long it lasts. It's a pain you just can't comprehend and it's the longest 5 seconds of your life.
First rule for us was when you deploy the taser and the suspect falls over, was to get the cuffs on ASAP, and you have 5 seconds to do it.
It seems the BiB with the cuffs at the ready was more interested in talking on his radio than going hands on with the suspect.
Why was he so timid?
I've been tasered as part of our training and we call it the 5 second ride because that's how long it lasts. It's a pain you just can't comprehend and it's the longest 5 seconds of your life.
First rule for us was when you deploy the taser and the suspect falls over, was to get the cuffs on ASAP, and you have 5 seconds to do it.
It seems the BiB with the cuffs at the ready was more interested in talking on his radio than going hands on with the suspect.
Why was he so timid?
irc said:
Fair points though I suggest any risks from restraining him were no worse than letting him jump offca bridge.
I don’t think they were expecting him to jump off the bridge tbf If they had restrained him and he had died from positional asphyxiation where would we be now, would London ( and elsewhere ) be burning ?
We’ll never know .. but officers are taught about why a taser might not work and what that means for them
It can be pretty intense if you taser someone and it doesn’t affect them
NMNeil said:
I agree that the police could have done a better job.
I've been tasered as part of our training and we call it the 5 second ride because that's how long it lasts. It's a pain you just can't comprehend and it's the longest 5 seconds of your life.
First rule for us was when you deploy the taser and the suspect falls over, was to get the cuffs on ASAP, and you have 5 seconds to do it.
It seems the BiB with the cuffs at the ready was more interested in talking on his radio than going hands on with the suspect.
Why was he so timid?
Fair enough .. except the ( multiple use ) of the taser didn’t have that effect on him I've been tasered as part of our training and we call it the 5 second ride because that's how long it lasts. It's a pain you just can't comprehend and it's the longest 5 seconds of your life.
First rule for us was when you deploy the taser and the suspect falls over, was to get the cuffs on ASAP, and you have 5 seconds to do it.
It seems the BiB with the cuffs at the ready was more interested in talking on his radio than going hands on with the suspect.
Why was he so timid?
Handcuffing a sparked out prone person is somewhat different to someone who the taser has just annoyed
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