Teens guilty of murdering 18 yr old

[s1962a]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-6156399...

What a horrific and senseless attack. Given the murderers ages, what kind of sentences could they realistically get?

[JuanCarlosFandango]

I suspect they'll say the gang was sentenced to "80 years" when on fact 10 of them were sentenced to an average of 8 years each meaning they'll all be out in 4 or 5 years.

[grumbledoak]

Prepare yourself for a bit of a disappointment.

[bitchstewie]

Not long enough is my guess.

[poo at Paul's]

Feral scum, no doubt all of them brought up by similar feral scum.

With a bit of luck, the names will be well known locally, and someone will administer some proper justice to ensure such scum don't do this sort of st again.

[Murph7355]

People who do this sort of st should simply be locked up never to come out.

[otolith]

Seems a big gang to be that feral. Wonder what linked them.

[Terminator X]

Guilty of murder at least, so often it seems to be a softer sentance.

TX.

[Caddyshack]

I wonder what makes children act like this…very odd and scary. Poor lad- what a way to go and poor family.

[Dynion Araf Uchaf]

It’s given me nightmares reading about this case. The poor lad being petrified….

I believe the 10 guilty didn’t really know each other before the night but appeared to have egged each other on lead by a loony 15 year old. It’s immaturity that’s cost them their freedom, the knifer needs to go down for decades, the rest probably similar. It’s a useful reminder that you can be a bystander and still be guilty.

I would expect that the young lads friends whom he was separated on will be carrying some guilt for the rest of their lives.

[JagLover]

Dynion Araf Uchaf said:

It’s given me nightmares reading about this case. The poor lad being petrified….

I believe the 10 guilty didn’t really know each other before the night but appeared to have egged each other on lead by a loony 15 year old. It’s immaturity that’s cost them their freedom, the knifer needs to go down for decades, the rest probably similar. It’s a useful reminder that you can be a bystander and still be guilty.
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Based on the summary on the BBC for one of them at least there is no evidence they took part in the assault. Boy H in this listing.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-6159845...

So I would hope for very long sentences for the boy who started the assault and the one who used a knife. For the rest varying according to prior convictions and degree of participation.

[s1962a]

Caddyshack said:

I wonder what makes children act like this…very odd and scary. Poor lad- what a way to go and poor family.

I think there must have been a lot of "getting away with it" in these kids lives that led them to believe they could do this without worrying about the consequences. Smaller things like anti social behaviour and no one holding them to account (the police), till it's too late. Skirmishes with other 'rivals' that had no comeback whatsoever by the police, or burglaries/car vandalism with nothing done about it. 2 nights ago in my area of London, I saw a couple of kids on a large quadbike driving erratically and jumping red lights on a main road (whilst checking the coast is clear). If they can get away with stuff like this, it's no wonder they think they are untouchable.

[Randy Winkman]

JagLover said:

Dynion Araf Uchaf said:

It’s given me nightmares reading about this case. The poor lad being petrified….

I believe the 10 guilty didn’t really know each other before the night but appeared to have egged each other on lead by a loony 15 year old. It’s immaturity that’s cost them their freedom, the knifer needs to go down for decades, the rest probably similar. It’s a useful reminder that you can be a bystander and still be guilty.
.

Based on the summary on the BBC for one of them at least there is no evidence they took part in the assault. Boy H in this listing.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-6159845...

So I would hope for very long sentences for the boy who started the assault and the one who used a knife. For the rest varying according to prior convictions and degree of participation.

I agree. Whilst I don't know much about the case I hope they come down hard on ring leaders. At that age it is possible to be caught up with the wrong crowd and some people deserve a second chance.

[GT3Manthey]

s1962a said:

I think there must have been a lot of "getting away with it" in these kids lives that led them to believe they could do this without worrying about the consequences. Smaller things like anti social behaviour and no one holding them to account (the police), till it's too late. Skirmishes with other 'rivals' that had no comeback whatsoever by the police, or burglaries/car vandalism with nothing done about it. 2 nights ago in my area of London, I saw a couple of kids on a large quadbike driving erratically and jumping red lights on a main road (whilst checking the coast is clear). If they can get away with stuff like this, it's no wonder they think they are untouchable.

I agree with you that it’s become their mentality but there is a huge difference of ‘getting away with it’ for stealing or jumping from a taxi fare as oppressed to beating then knifing someone to death .

There can be only one deterrent and that’s a proper life sentence .

Obviously people will argue that they are only kids but them they have still taken a life and quite deliberately so I suspect they had been looking to do this previously therefore they knew what they were doing .

So you have a dead teenager who did nothing wrong together with the victims family and friends that will grieve a life sentence whilst these scrotes are out within 4/5 years .

Makes my blood boil

[stitched]

Friend of mine intervened in a situation quite like this one, Chester 2001.
He managed to wrest the knife off one of the feral scum, at which point they skedaddled.
18 months for assault on a minor.

[worsy]

To the OP - Murder means a mandatory life sentence. If you meant what sort of min term they might get, I expect <18 will be 8-12 years whereas the adults will be 12-15.

stitched said:

Friend of mine intervened in a situation quite like this one, Chester 2001.
He managed to wrest the knife off one of the feral scum, at which point they skedaddled.
18 months for assault on a minor.

Sorry? Your friend got 18 months for assault on a minor?

[faa77]

JuanCarlosFandango said:

I suspect they'll say the gang was sentenced to "80 years" when on fact 10 of them were sentenced to an average of 8 years each meaning they'll all be out in 4 or 5 years.

This

Personally, i'd give them 40-50 years, given their age.

[faa77]

GT3Manthey said:

s1962a said:

I think there must have been a lot of "getting away with it" in these kids lives that led them to believe they could do this without worrying about the consequences. Smaller things like anti social behaviour and no one holding them to account (the police), till it's too late. Skirmishes with other 'rivals' that had no comeback whatsoever by the police, or burglaries/car vandalism with nothing done about it. 2 nights ago in my area of London, I saw a couple of kids on a large quadbike driving erratically and jumping red lights on a main road (whilst checking the coast is clear). If they can get away with stuff like this, it's no wonder they think they are untouchable.

I agree with you that it’s become their mentality but there is a huge difference of ‘getting away with it’ for stealing or jumping from a taxi fare as oppressed to beating then knifing someone to death .

100%

We all did stupid stuff at that age but not assault people.

[bitchstewie]

At the risk of sounding "in my day" what I don't get is why it seems so much worse these days.

I'm in my 40's and I had a decent upbringing but I can't think of a time when I ever worried about being stabbed when I went out nor did I ever think I needed to carry a knife.

I can't think of a single person I ever hung around with where I could imagine them doing something similar.

There was a case recently where a 12 year old girl got stabbed in the neck by a 14 year old boy over a row about nothing.

Stabbed in the fking neck.

Once you get the past the sheer evil of it you have to wonder how the hell that situation comes about.

[ReallyReallyGood]

Poor parenting. And their parents would be about your age.