Al Jazeera Reporter Killed and Mourners Attacked

[fizz47]

Awful and most tragic and yet another Palestinian journalist is killed…

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/5/11/world-rea...

Unfortunately certain journalists are not treated equally.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/05/12...


Hope the ICC investigate the potential war crime and whomever is guilty is brought to justice.

Sad enough that an innocent person died but to make matters worse it appears Israeli police attacked the mourners.. disgusting and shameful for all those involved.. Coffin even falls when those carrying the casket are beaten with batons.

Shireen Abu Aqla: Violence at Al Jazeera reporter's funeral in Jerusalem
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-61437...

[speedy_thrills]

Having looked at the footage it's unclear to me who shot her but it warrants unimpeded independent investigation. The autopsy and bullet or fragments should offer some indication as to the metallurgical origin (i.e. if it was IDF or not) and possibly even point to a specific weapon.

[grumbledoak]

fizz47 said:

Hope the ICC investigate the potential war crime and whomever is guilty is brought to justice.

Two hopes. And I don't think Bob Hope is still with us.

[SlimJim16v]

I've just seen that it's been confirmed an Israeli sniper killed her.

[fizz47]

SlimJim16v said:

I've just seen that it's been confirmed an Israeli sniper killed her.

I have not seen that’s it’s confirmed yet?

I did read the Israeli government changed their tune fro saying that it was a Palestinian who shot the sniper but are now saying there is a chance it could have been one of their own…

Either way Israel refuse to co-operate with the ICC so likely will get away with another in-justice if it is one of their own..

[Countdown]

She's not the first and she won't be the last. Israeli military killing Palestinians is a regular occurrence

The difference between people like her, Rachel Corrie, or Tom Hurndall and all the others is that it's very hard for the Israelis to paint them as "terrorists/militants". This is the same military where an Israeli officer emptied his rifle magazine into a 12 year old girl, admitted that he would have done the same even if she had been 3 years old, and was acuitted of all charges by an israeli court.

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fizz47 said:

Sad enough that an innocent person died but to make matters worse it appears Israeli police attacked the mourners.. disgusting and shameful for all those involved.. Coffin even falls when those carrying the casket are beaten with batons.

They were probably posing a threat to Israel's inalienable right to exist.

[Electro1980]

Countdown said:

She's not the first and she won't be the last. Israeli military killing Palestinians is a regular occurrence

The difference between people like her, Rachel Corrie, or Tom Hurndall and all the others is that it's very hard for the Israelis to paint them as "terrorists/militants". This is the same military where an Israeli officer emptied his rifle magazine into a 12 year old girl, admitted that he would have done the same even if she had been 3 years old, and was acuitted of all charges by an israeli court.

ANTISEMITE!!!

Isn’t that the normal claim of Israel when anyone criticises them?

[fizz47]

Israeli government keep getting caught in their lies ..

Shireen Abu Aqla: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-61463...

‘On Friday, the police claimed mourners threatened the driver of the hearse and then proceeded to carry the coffin against the wishes of the Abu Aqla family. It said: "Israeli Police intervened to disperse the mob and prevent them from taking the coffin."

But speaking to the BBC, Abu Aqla's brother Tony dismissed the police use of the family's wishes to justify its actions, accusing them of a "inhumane attack".

Everybody saw the pallbearers beaten savagely by batons without any mercy, without any respect to the funeral, to the dead," he said.

[hidetheelephants]

The claim they shot her deliberately is an extraordinary one with not even ordinary evidence to back it up; it's quite likely it was the IDF, less plausible that one or more of the IDF were firing aimed shots at someone 200m away rather than putting down suppressing fire until they worked out who was shooting at them, where from and firing back. The police brutality at the funeral is pretty normal unfortunately.

[Biker 1]

hidetheelephants said:

The claim they shot her deliberately is an extraordinary one with not even ordinary evidence to back it up; it's quite likely it was the IDF, less plausible that one or more of the IDF were firing aimed shots at someone 200m away rather than putting down suppressing fire until they worked out who was shooting at them, where from and firing back. The police brutality at the funeral is pretty normal unfortunately.

I'm inclined to agree with this.
Whatever one's view of the conflict, intentionally assassinating a high profile journalist is not something the IDF would order - much easier to either deport her or ban her from the country in the first place. I suppose a 'rogue' sniper could have taken her out, but I doubt this is government policy.
However, the police going in heavy handed due to illegal flag waving was not a good move & a PR disaster.

[franki68]

Biker 1 said:

I'm inclined to agree with this.
Whatever one's view of the conflict, intentionally assassinating a high profile journalist is not something the IDF would order - much easier to either deport her or ban her from the country in the first place. I suppose a 'rogue' sniper could have taken her out, but I doubt this is government policy.
However, the police going in heavy handed due to illegal flag waving was not a good move & a PR disaster.

The police drone video shows the police being attacked first by people using the coffin and pallbearers as cover.The police Shouldn't have reacted in that manner but the the narrative that it was unprovoked and caused by flag waving is not truthful.
All those phones and yet no footage of what happened prior to what the media are showing should always cause some suspicion.

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Biker 1 said:

hidetheelephants said:

The claim they shot her deliberately is an extraordinary one with not even ordinary evidence to back it up; it's quite likely it was the IDF, less plausible that one or more of the IDF were firing aimed shots at someone 200m away rather than putting down suppressing fire until they worked out who was shooting at them, where from and firing back. The police brutality at the funeral is pretty normal unfortunately.

I'm inclined to agree with this.
Whatever one's view of the conflict, intentionally assassinating a high profile journalist is not something the IDF would order - much easier to either deport her or ban her from the country in the first place. I suppose a 'rogue' sniper could have taken her out, but I doubt this is government policy.
However, the police going in heavy handed due to illegal flag waving was not a good move & a PR disaster.

I don't think anybody has implied it was intentional. I think it's more the fact that they don't really give a toss if palestinians are killed.

[hidetheelephants]

Countdown said:

I don't think anybody has implied it was intentional. I think it's more the fact that they don't really give a toss if palestinians are killed.

There are plenty of twitterers stating it was deliberate, which will no doubt be repeated elsewhere online and in the less careful parts of the dead tree press.

[fizz47]

franki68 said:

The police drone video shows the police being attacked first by people using the coffin and pallbearers as cover.The police Shouldn't have reacted in that manner but the the narrative that it was unprovoked and caused by flag waving is not truthful.
All those phones and yet no footage of what happened prior to what the media are showing should always cause some suspicion.

Even the story the police concocted has been proven false by the journalists own family.. fortunately their are many videos dispelling these false narratives whoever much of those who want to muddy the waters..

Many independent journalists are saying other than a few plastic bottles the attack was unprovoked and doesn’t match the Israeli governments story ..

The Israeli government have form of suppressing journalists. Remember when they bombed an entire building housing AP offices and claimed there were terrorists in the building yet failed to furnish any evidence…

Or how about these other journalists killed at the hand of Israeli forces …

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/05/12/is...


There is only so many times someone can claim whoops…

[SlimJim16v]

Report that says the journalists were deliberately targeted.

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/05/24/middleeast/shir...

[ATG]

fizz47 said:

franki68 said:

The police drone video shows the police being attacked first by people using the coffin and pallbearers as cover.The police Shouldn't have reacted in that manner but the the narrative that it was unprovoked and caused by flag waving is not truthful.
All those phones and yet no footage of what happened prior to what the media are showing should always cause some suspicion.

Even the story the police concocted has been proven false by the journalists own family.. fortunately their are many videos dispelling these false narratives whoever much of those who want to muddy the waters..

Many independent journalists are saying other than a few plastic bottles the attack was unprovoked and doesn’t match the Israeli governments story ..

The Israeli government have form of suppressing journalists. Remember when they bombed an entire building housing AP offices and claimed there were terrorists in the building yet failed to furnish any evidence…

Or how about these other journalists killed at the hand of Israeli forces …

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/05/12/is...


There is only so many times someone can claim whoops…

Demonising the Israelis doesn't help the Palestinians. It's counterproductive. We're all completely peripheral to the conflict, but the one thing that they clearly need is mutual understanding. They have to understand each other's positions honestly if they're ever going to come to any kind of a mutually accepted settlement.

The Israelis have no interest in intentionally killing journalists. They are rational (over the short-run at least) and killing journalists is obviously almost immediately counterproductive as well as being immoral. Israel's major problem is that it ends up with weak governments who are beholden to small extremist parties, making it very difficult for it to take any big political steps. It is stuck maintaining the status quo.

The Palestinians are in a very much worse position where they have a virtual anarchy and no realistic prospect of being able to organise themselves. They don't have anything close to a legitimate government that they all recognise. They have various groups wrangling for power, trying to help their communities, trying to maintain military pressure on Israel, etc, etc. They show absolutely no sign of being able to extricate themselves from this absolute mess.

The idea that the Palestinians could credibly investigate this latest killing is risible. Similarly, had the Israelis retrieved the body and then performed an autopsy, at least half the world wouldn't have believed the outcome.

The bottom line is that journalists caught near a fire fight are at serious risk of getting killed, just as is any other civilian in the area. There is nothing especially shocking about a journo getting killed in these circumstances. It's very sad. It isn't automatically an outrage.

[Countdown]

ATG said:

Demonising the Israelis doesn't help the Palestinians. It's counterproductive. We're all completely peripheral to the conflict, but the one thing that they clearly need is mutual understanding. They have to understand each other's positions honestly if they're ever going to come to any kind of a mutually accepted settlement.

Yesterday there was an Israeli march through the Al-Aqsa mosque where they were chanting "Death to Arabs" (By the way this has happened several times before). There are massive evictions of Palestinians happening from the muslim parts of Jerusalem and their houses being occupied by Zionists. There are settlements springing up constantly in the West Bank, followed by military infrastructure to the protect those Settlements even if it means cutting off Palestinians from their farmland.

How should the Palestinians "mutually understand" this?

Sorry, going back to the original point...........the journalist who was killed only made it into the news because she was a Journalist and because she was Palestinian Christian. Palestinian muslims are killed on a daily basis but it's much much easier for the Israeli Govt to pretend they were terrorists.

[ATG]

And Palestinians fire rockets indiscriminately into Israel killing civilians and blow themselves up to kill Israeli civilians and open fire on people on public transport. How are the Israelis supposed to understand that?

Can you not see the utter futility of trying to blame one side over the other?

Do you think every Israeli supports the knuckle heads marching through annexed Jerusalem neighbourhoods? Do you think every Palestinian condones the murder of Israeli civilians?

[hidetheelephants]

Settler bampots marching and screaming 'death to arabs' seems analogous to the marching bampots in Ulster, same vibes and about as helpful; Hamas/Fatah/etc along with fascist govts lead by bellends like Bibbi all help perpetuate the aggro and prevent any solution, ockham suggests they do so as it is helpful for staying in power.