those poor teachers
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billb

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3,198 posts

294 months

Friday 5th August 2005
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"A teachers' union wants a UK-wide guarantee of first year employment for newly-qualified teachers. "

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/4746913.stm


oooh can someone guarentee me a job when i do a course too please. why should i pay for something thats not needed???

off_again

13,917 posts

263 months

Friday 5th August 2005
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Yeah, guarantee a job, but pro-rata their pay then.... that will make 'em think twice

JagLover

46,764 posts

264 months

Friday 5th August 2005
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I suppose they do have a point in a way.

The number of teaching posts is determined by government policy. The number of places on teacher training courses are also indirectly determined by government policy. It is more efficient to only train the number you need.

BliarOut

72,863 posts

268 months

Friday 5th August 2005
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Who would want to be a teacher? Perhaps if they allowed them to use discipline to regain control of the classroom teachers wouldn't be leaving in their droves.

JagLover

46,764 posts

264 months

Friday 5th August 2005
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BliarOut said:
Who would want to be a teacher? Perhaps if they allowed them to use discipline to regain control of the classroom teachers wouldn't be leaving in their droves.


Exactly

With the current disclipine problems I wouldn't be a secondary school teacher.

They should get combat pay.




billb

Original Poster:

3,198 posts

294 months

Friday 5th August 2005
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JagLover said:
I suppose they do have a point in a way.

The number of teaching posts is determined by government policy. The number of places on teacher training courses are also indirectly determined by government policy. It is more efficient to only train the number you need.


true but then u prob could use that arguement about most jobs? dont forget private schools too + they can teach abroad

Podie

46,649 posts

304 months

Friday 5th August 2005
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billb said:

... + they can teach abroad



Isn't that a different qualification..? (TEFL)

>> Edited by Podie on Friday 5th August 09:11

shadowninja

80,057 posts

311 months

Friday 5th August 2005
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JagLover said:

BliarOut said:
Who would want to be a teacher? Perhaps if they allowed them to use discipline to regain control of the classroom teachers wouldn't be leaving in their droves.



Exactly

With the current disclipine problems I wouldn't be a secondary school teacher.

They should get combat pay.




They'll be sueing for trauma next.

JagLover

46,764 posts

264 months

Friday 5th August 2005
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shadowninja said:



They'll be sueing for trauma next.


They will probaby get 1/2 million for PTSD like that bloke the other week knowing our judges.

ofcorsa

3,546 posts

272 months

Friday 5th August 2005
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I dont see why teacher should get special treatment, My fiance is a physio and we had to move from yorkshire to Lincoln so she could get a junior rotation.

nonegreen

7,803 posts

299 months

Friday 5th August 2005
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I have a better method. If at the end of the year there are more than 50 vacancies or shortages we should sack a University principal and he / she should lose their pension. We can pick the University by drawing from a hat. We could even call it the sorting hat. Sorted.

wolves_wanderer

12,956 posts

266 months

Friday 5th August 2005
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Teachers moaning, you wouldn't believe it would you?

>> Edited by wolves_wanderer on Friday 5th August 10:28

cosmoschick

7,977 posts

278 months

Friday 5th August 2005
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JagLover said:

BliarOut said:
Who would want to be a teacher? Perhaps if they allowed them to use discipline to regain control of the classroom teachers wouldn't be leaving in their droves.



Exactly

With the current disclipine problems I wouldn't be a secondary school teacher.

They should get combat pay.






Agreed. I work in the legal department of the National Union of Teachers and some of the personal injury cases we take on are quite disturbing in terms of classroom behaviour. It's a real eye opener. Some teachers have had to cope with physical abuse such as chairs/desks being thrown at them, lighted paper and anything else which happens to be to hand, not to mention verbal abuse, deliberate damage to their property and vehicles, stalking and malicious text messages and phone calls.

It doesn't really compare to an average day at the office!

jessica

6,321 posts

281 months

Friday 5th August 2005
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Teaching is a vocation,and should remain so. to offer jobs to all who take the course will bring in people who want to teach because they get long paid for hols and short working weeks.
have you ever noticed that primary school staff are predominently female.(I wonder why that is???)
BECAUSE IT FITS IN WITH KIDS HOLS. no childcare fees.

Sorry if this sounds harsh.It,s those who teach for convenience that annoy me. Those who teach as a vocation are usually damm good at it. and hence dont get assalted and abused. because they have the correct stratgies and personalities to handle difficult children.

JagLover

46,764 posts

264 months

Friday 5th August 2005
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jessica said:


Sorry if this sounds harsh.It,s those who teach for convenience that annoy me. Those who teach as a vocation are usually damm good at it. and hence dont get assalted and abused. because they have the correct stratgies and personalities to handle difficult children.


I don't agree that it is the fault of the teachers when they are abused or assaulted. It is the fault of an education system which has abandoned effective discipline.

MilnerR

8,273 posts

287 months

Friday 5th August 2005
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Teaching used to be a respected profession, now it seems to be coming the refuge of graduates with pass/3rd degrees who are struggling to find permanent employment elsewhere. This might explain the high drop out rate among new teachers. If you make entry into teaching a similar ordeal as other professions like law and medicine you will end up with motivated talented young people who will make excellent teachers..... of course that would require a payscale and benefits (such as the suggested scheme) to match the other professions and so it'll never happen which is a shame as imho next to hospitals schools are THE most important public service. At the moment there are a large number of new teachers who don't know their subject and don't have the ability to teach what little they do know!

superlightr

12,920 posts

292 months

Friday 5th August 2005
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teachers are always whinging about how badly treated they are....... come and work for me .......

turbobloke

117,178 posts

289 months

Friday 5th August 2005
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MilnerR said:
...imho next to hospitals schools are THE most important public service...
just a thought - without teachers (anywhere) where will your nurses and doctors come from?

Iria

854 posts

281 months

Friday 5th August 2005
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Schools are day nurseries, and most people should be grateful for them... just think of having to take care of your teenagers all day long!

billb

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3,198 posts

294 months

Friday 5th August 2005
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turbobloke said:

MilnerR said:
...imho next to hospitals schools are THE most important public service...

just a thought - without teachers (anywhere) where will your nurses and doctors come from?


africa and eastern europe as they do now