Another failure by social services?
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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/apr/21/lo...
It doesn't feel like it has been that long since the last kid who died in similar circumstances, horrifically, and yet again a string of past convictions, warnings, involvement from the police/social services and still the child in question ends up dead. It is mad to me that this keeps happening, just how many innocent children need to face a slow and painful death before something changes with the system(s) in place?
Awful.
It doesn't feel like it has been that long since the last kid who died in similar circumstances, horrifically, and yet again a string of past convictions, warnings, involvement from the police/social services and still the child in question ends up dead. It is mad to me that this keeps happening, just how many innocent children need to face a slow and painful death before something changes with the system(s) in place?
Awful.
Most social services departments are on their knees and firefighting. Good social workers are reduced to being ineffective due to their caseloads. I know one part time social worker who should have a caseload of 8 based on her hours. It only took a couple of months for her to have 15-18 kids that a full time social worker would have.
Also the constant bad press is putting off people from training as social workers.
Also the constant bad press is putting off people from training as social workers.
Marumi said:
Can we just save the bother of sentencing and shoot all three (including the 14 year old) on the steps of the courthouse?
How do you think a 14 year old ended up being involved in the apparent torture and murder of another child?Hint: They'd probably had a pretty s
t upbringing and I suspect narrowly escaped a similar fate by simply living their life in terror and complying with anything an adult asked of them.okgo said:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/apr/21/lo...
It doesn't feel like it has been that long since the last kid who died in similar circumstances, horrifically, and yet again a string of past convictions, warnings, involvement from the police/social services and still the child in question ends up dead. It is mad to me that this keeps happening, just how many innocent children need to face a slow and painful death before something changes with the system(s) in place?
Awful.
Of course it's awfulIt doesn't feel like it has been that long since the last kid who died in similar circumstances, horrifically, and yet again a string of past convictions, warnings, involvement from the police/social services and still the child in question ends up dead. It is mad to me that this keeps happening, just how many innocent children need to face a slow and painful death before something changes with the system(s) in place?
Awful.
However, social services will be preventing or investigating thousands of cases.
You want change? Campaign for increased funding etc
vikingaero said:
Most social services departments are on their knees and firefighting. Good social workers are reduced to being ineffective due to their caseloads. I know one part time social worker who should have a caseload of 8 based on her hours. It only took a couple of months for her to have 15-18 kids that a full time social worker would have.
Also the constant bad press is putting off people from training as social workers.
Another factor is likely to be the closure of schools under lockdown given the timeframe involved. Also the constant bad press is putting off people from training as social workers.
okgo said:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/apr/21/lo...
It doesn't feel like it has been that long since the last kid who died in similar circumstances, horrifically, and yet again a string of past convictions, warnings, involvement from the police/social services and still the child in question ends up dead. It is mad to me that this keeps happening, just how many innocent children need to face a slow and painful death before something changes with the system(s) in place?
Awful.
Awful yes. But I wonder how many successes there are by comparison? The failure rate might be something like 0.0001%It doesn't feel like it has been that long since the last kid who died in similar circumstances, horrifically, and yet again a string of past convictions, warnings, involvement from the police/social services and still the child in question ends up dead. It is mad to me that this keeps happening, just how many innocent children need to face a slow and painful death before something changes with the system(s) in place?
Awful.
As for changes, do you really want the law to prosecute people for 'things' they "might" do?
okgo said:
Biggy Stardust said:
It's not a failure, it's an opportunity to learn lessons for the future.
Well, seeing no signs of that so far.If that's what you expect then petition your MP to give social workers the power to remove kids easily, and the huge increase in funds needed. Good luck with that.
Social services are massively under funded and have been for decades. Case loads are huge, pay is crap, and staff vacancies go unfilled.
The parents have killed their kid, and you see that as the social workers failure! I'm surprised anyone does the job frankly.
It's also worth pointing out that the shortage of staff just leads to a bidding war for agency staff.
My sister in law is a social worker, and caseloads invariably exceed the recommended levels. However, it is (middle) management ineptitude that has caused her to move jobs most times.
Eg she has been sent to check up on a child whose parent was released from prison with a marker for violence. Police couldn't spare the two required officers to attend, so she was told to just go anyway, and perhaps text a friend or relative afterwards.
Other times rotas have been shambolic, with huge gaps in staffing, which the manager just didn't want to deal with,.
And another time a special phone required for her hearing was not delivered when promised, and her manager actually tried to criticise her for not answering phone calls when she didn't even have one.
My managers (in council finances) are spot on in terms of common sense, and generally people are only promoted who deserve it and are capable.
But I think social care is in such a state, that staff inherit the middle management layer roles simply by a) not quitting and b) not being agency.
I also think in perpetual crisis management mode, things that are taken for granted in other sectors or areas get it ignored (ie actually training managers how to manage, and giving them support/direction and consequences)
As for the issue in question: it's impossible to prevent a parent being evil behind closed doors. You could spend any amount of money on it, and it would still take place.
The emphasis is I think still on solutions that keep children with the family (the care system is still not a very happy place), but council's are very risk averse now wrt Ofsted, and do a lot of preventative work with nurseries, schools and other such stakeholders 24/7/365.
My sister in law is a social worker, and caseloads invariably exceed the recommended levels. However, it is (middle) management ineptitude that has caused her to move jobs most times.
Eg she has been sent to check up on a child whose parent was released from prison with a marker for violence. Police couldn't spare the two required officers to attend, so she was told to just go anyway, and perhaps text a friend or relative afterwards.
Other times rotas have been shambolic, with huge gaps in staffing, which the manager just didn't want to deal with,.
And another time a special phone required for her hearing was not delivered when promised, and her manager actually tried to criticise her for not answering phone calls when she didn't even have one.
My managers (in council finances) are spot on in terms of common sense, and generally people are only promoted who deserve it and are capable.
But I think social care is in such a state, that staff inherit the middle management layer roles simply by a) not quitting and b) not being agency.
I also think in perpetual crisis management mode, things that are taken for granted in other sectors or areas get it ignored (ie actually training managers how to manage, and giving them support/direction and consequences)
As for the issue in question: it's impossible to prevent a parent being evil behind closed doors. You could spend any amount of money on it, and it would still take place.
The emphasis is I think still on solutions that keep children with the family (the care system is still not a very happy place), but council's are very risk averse now wrt Ofsted, and do a lot of preventative work with nurseries, schools and other such stakeholders 24/7/365.
Another piece of scum mother here
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-6...
Until we stop rewarding the feckless for procreating nothing will change.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-6...
Until we stop rewarding the feckless for procreating nothing will change.
untakenname said:
Another piece of scum mother here
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-6...
Until we stop rewarding the feckless for procreating nothing will change.
This one was absolutely heart breaking too. They all arehttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-6...
Until we stop rewarding the feckless for procreating nothing will change.
But to suffocate to death. Awful
Biggy Stardust said:
okgo said:
Biggy Stardust said:
It's not a failure, it's an opportunity to learn lessons for the future.
Well, seeing no signs of that so far.98elise said:
Biggy Stardust said:
okgo said:
Biggy Stardust said:
It's not a failure, it's an opportunity to learn lessons for the future.
Well, seeing no signs of that so far.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff