Is the 2022 F1 car design flawed?
Discussion
Fundoreen said:
At what stage does someone raise the point that once again the F1 and FIA new car idea is flawed.
No skirts and low profile tires to encourage bouncing up and down.
Does the starting point bland F1 mockup car bounce up and down?
Its all a bit silly really.
How is it flawed?No skirts and low profile tires to encourage bouncing up and down.
Does the starting point bland F1 mockup car bounce up and down?
Its all a bit silly really.
The bouncing is not caused by the tyres.
I don't see the Haas bouncing. Or the Red Bull. Or the Mclaren. In fact, I've only really seen the Ferrari and Mercedes suffer from it.
Those teams will need to manage it and fix it, like everyone else.
Bit of a silly post really.
Fundoreen said:
At what stage does someone raise the point that once again the F1 and FIA new car idea is flawed.
No skirts and low profile tires to encourage bouncing up and down.
Does the starting point bland F1 mockup car bounce up and down?
Its all a bit silly really.
There's always been rule changes to slow the cars, make them safer. Surely the current problems are just down to the designers trying to find those tenths...No skirts and low profile tires to encourage bouncing up and down.
Does the starting point bland F1 mockup car bounce up and down?
Its all a bit silly really.
teams have always got the car design brilliant or wrong...
If all the teams were suffering from it you might have a point, but the problem is clearly solvable so it's up to the teams still suffering from ouncing to figure out how to stop it. No; best racing in years. The opportunity for someone who’s lost a position to fight back for it, is fantastic and creates really exciting racing throughout the field.
Just because it’s not working for Merc, doesn’t make it bad. They’ll overcome it soon enough. It’s definitely mixed the grid up too.
Just because it’s not working for Merc, doesn’t make it bad. They’ll overcome it soon enough. It’s definitely mixed the grid up too.
PD9 said:
No; best racing in years. The opportunity for someone who’s lost a position to fight back for it, is fantastic and creates really exciting racing throughout the field.
Just because it’s not working for Merc, doesn’t make it bad. They’ll overcome it soon enough. It’s definitely mixed the grid up too.
It's not reallyJust because it’s not working for Merc, doesn’t make it bad. They’ll overcome it soon enough. It’s definitely mixed the grid up too.
It's just basically moved Mercedes down the pack and Ferrari up the pack , the "lower rank" teams are still at the back of the grid
You get occasional surprises (ie HASS in race 1) but these also happened in 2021
I suspect an element of slower cars like HASS not bouncing is because they are that much slower that they're not on that fine knife edge
The idea of moving the specifications around is fine but I don't think they've allowed suitable time for this , am I mis remembering that leading teams got less wind tunnel time?
Not to mention wind tunnels aren't easily able to replicate ground force effects, hence why this is a problem, so the changes are fine but potentially additional testing time would have benefited all teams
But whatever will be will be, as long as Verstappen keeps breaking down I'm happy
(I'm sure someone will get upset, go ahead)We're getting what most people have been begging for for at least two decades. It's not flawed!
It's not perfect, nothing ever is. It's progress, that's all. The best we can ever hope for is healthy progress - vs what we had for years which was tiny tweaks and no substantial improvement.
This season all three races so far have been good. It's been good since the 2019 changes improved car following. Four seasons of great racing (not gonna mention the end of 2021..) so far, we should all be happy
It's not perfect, nothing ever is. It's progress, that's all. The best we can ever hope for is healthy progress - vs what we had for years which was tiny tweaks and no substantial improvement.
This season all three races so far have been good. It's been good since the 2019 changes improved car following. Four seasons of great racing (not gonna mention the end of 2021..) so far, we should all be happy
CarCrazyDad said:
It's not really
It's just basically moved Mercedes down the pack and Ferrari up the pack , the "lower rank" teams are still at the back of the grid
You get occasional surprises (ie HASS in race 1) but these also happened in 2021
I suspect an element of slower cars like HASS not bouncing is because they are that much slower that they're not on that fine knife edge
Haas have recorded a 5th and a 9th in 2022. Best result in 2021 was 12th.It's just basically moved Mercedes down the pack and Ferrari up the pack , the "lower rank" teams are still at the back of the grid
You get occasional surprises (ie HASS in race 1) but these also happened in 2021
I suspect an element of slower cars like HASS not bouncing is because they are that much slower that they're not on that fine knife edge
Alfa Romeo have recorded a 6th, 10th and 8th in 2022. Best result in 2021 was two 8th place finishes. They have more points in 2022 than they scored in the entirety of 2021.
So the "occasional surprises" didn't happen in 2021 for the lower teams.....Williams only scored in the rain race in Belgium, in Hungary where half the field dropped out and a couple of points in Italy and Russia.
A big ‘no’ from me I’m afraid.
Ross Brawn,, Pat Symonds and the FOM and FIA teams have done a brilliant job on the new cars. They can follow each other well, and despite ten quite different concepts the cars have never been closer.
Lewis was only 0.7s off his 5th placed team mate, when he banged out of Q1 in Saudi. A good driver having a bad day now carries actual jeopardy.
Yes, a couple of the faster cars are bouncing around, but they are still getting the big points. The engineers are more restrained with budget and wind tunnel caps, so they can’t just throw money at problems like they used to, they have to think smarter. Talking of thinking smarter, Williams managed to pull a blinder of a strategy last weekend, getting Albon a point from what they were expecting to be another race at the back of the field.
The development race is going to be brilliant to watch as we move to the European races, with the new parts coming thick and fast. I wouldn’t bet against Mercedes winning races before the summer.
Ross Brawn,, Pat Symonds and the FOM and FIA teams have done a brilliant job on the new cars. They can follow each other well, and despite ten quite different concepts the cars have never been closer.
Lewis was only 0.7s off his 5th placed team mate, when he banged out of Q1 in Saudi. A good driver having a bad day now carries actual jeopardy.
Yes, a couple of the faster cars are bouncing around, but they are still getting the big points. The engineers are more restrained with budget and wind tunnel caps, so they can’t just throw money at problems like they used to, they have to think smarter. Talking of thinking smarter, Williams managed to pull a blinder of a strategy last weekend, getting Albon a point from what they were expecting to be another race at the back of the field.
The development race is going to be brilliant to watch as we move to the European races, with the new parts coming thick and fast. I wouldn’t bet against Mercedes winning races before the summer.
Lots of action being taken then. No doubt a spine specialist told them whats what.
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I really thought that the negativity around the new regs up to Baku would've gone away after Silverstone and Austria.
I think the new regs have been broadly successful, and I'm glad they happened.
Yes they have flaws, just like every other set of technical regs have had before. If they didn't, they'd remain exactly the same one year to the next. I can't imagine that has happened once as long as I have been following the sport.
I think the new regs have been broadly successful, and I'm glad they happened.
Yes they have flaws, just like every other set of technical regs have had before. If they didn't, they'd remain exactly the same one year to the next. I can't imagine that has happened once as long as I have been following the sport.
CarCrazyDad said:
PD9 said:
No; best racing in years. The opportunity for someone who’s lost a position to fight back for it, is fantastic and creates really exciting racing throughout the field.
Just because it’s not working for Merc, doesn’t make it bad. They’ll overcome it soon enough. It’s definitely mixed the grid up too.
It's not reallyJust because it’s not working for Merc, doesn’t make it bad. They’ll overcome it soon enough. It’s definitely mixed the grid up too.
It's just basically moved Mercedes down the pack and Ferrari up the pack , the "lower rank" teams are still at the back of the grid
You get occasional surprises (ie HASS in race 1) but these also happened in 2021
StevieBee said:
The facts suggest otherwise. You have Albon popping up in the top 10 every now and then, the gap between front runners and back makers has decreased. You can have five cars go hammer and tong lap after lap (as we saw in Austria), nobody's winning by half a lap.... I'd say it's all good.
The midfield has been awfully close and competitive for years, over a decade.A team would have to have made a really bad car with poor driver(s) to be stuck on the back of the grid week in week out.
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