Worrying Air France incident
Discussion
Go around on Tuesday into CDG, B777 failed to respond to controls in final approach.
https://youtu.be/VzCNKhFOPqU
https://youtu.be/VzCNKhFOPqU
Seems like Boeing or the pilots are having more than a few issues.
https://simpleflying.com/malaysia-airlines-boeing-...
Just noticed on that Air France one they were speaking in French, i thought the international language of the air was English.
Does that not apply to internal or flag carrier flights or is it just the french being their usual selves?
https://simpleflying.com/malaysia-airlines-boeing-...
Just noticed on that Air France one they were speaking in French, i thought the international language of the air was English.
Does that not apply to internal or flag carrier flights or is it just the french being their usual selves?
Piginapoke said:
The cockpit alarms are pretty chilling!
I think that was basically all the bad ones!Not to be little Englander, but why are they speaking French?
e: just read this which explains how France has its own rules.
Does illustrate that in an incident like this, if it was in English, other crews listening to the channel would something's going on and fit it into their situational awareness. [although hearing config warning(?) on the radio probably gives you a hint of a problem]
Edited by essayer on Wednesday 6th April 14:36
They were using French for their normal coms before the situation went a bit crazy. The international language of the air is indeed English and it is bad form to use one's own (non-English)native tounge at an international airport - no matter what country it is in.
As has been said, other crews will be listening in and being aware of what is happening to other aircraft in your vicinity is very important information to have.
As has been said, other crews will be listening in and being aware of what is happening to other aircraft in your vicinity is very important information to have.
Eric Mc said:
They were using French for their normal coms before the situation went a bit crazy. The international language of the air is indeed English and it is bad form to use one's own (non-English)native tounge at an international airport - no matter what country it is in.
As has been said, other crews will be listening in and being aware of what is happening to other aircraft in your vicinity is very important information to have.
This particular issue, at DeGaulle, has already caused at least one serious incident:As has been said, other crews will be listening in and being aware of what is happening to other aircraft in your vicinity is very important information to have.
https://skybrary.aero/accidents-and-incidents/sh33...
Whilst not the only factor, instructions given to different aircraft in different languages was probably a factor in reducing situational awareness for the non-French speaking crew. You might think that DeGaulle airport authorities would have learned from this - you'd be wrong.
Eric Mc said:
They were using French for their normal coms before the situation went a bit crazy. The international language of the air is indeed English and it is bad form to use one's own (non-English)native tounge at an international airport - no matter what country it is in.
As has been said, other crews will be listening in and being aware of what is happening to other aircraft in your vicinity is very important information to have.
This has been a topic of debate for decades. They'll never change. As won't the Spanish and many other nations. As has been said, other crews will be listening in and being aware of what is happening to other aircraft in your vicinity is very important information to have.
The Dutch and Germans are very good. English spoken by all as routine.
In a heated moment of "battle" no one minds a pilot/controller com going native
speedyguy said:
Seems like Boeing or the pilots are having more than a few issues.
https://simpleflying.com/malaysia-airlines-boeing-...
Just noticed on that Air France one they were speaking in French, i thought the international language of the air was English.
Does that not apply to internal or flag carrier flights or is it just the french being their usual selves?
I was always under the impression (possibly incorrectly) that English was the universal language for commercial aircraft and air traffic control with the sole exception of France who insist on French.https://simpleflying.com/malaysia-airlines-boeing-...
Just noticed on that Air France one they were speaking in French, i thought the international language of the air was English.
Does that not apply to internal or flag carrier flights or is it just the french being their usual selves?
Chuck328 said:
Eric Mc said:
They were using French for their normal coms before the situation went a bit crazy. The international language of the air is indeed English and it is bad form to use one's own (non-English)native tounge at an international airport - no matter what country it is in.
As has been said, other crews will be listening in and being aware of what is happening to other aircraft in your vicinity is very important information to have.
This has been a topic of debate for decades. They'll never change. As won't the Spanish and many other nations. As has been said, other crews will be listening in and being aware of what is happening to other aircraft in your vicinity is very important information to have.
The Dutch and Germans are very good. English spoken by all as routine.
In a heated moment of "battle" no one minds a pilot/controller com going native
RobbyJ said:
essayer said:
I think that was basically all the bad ones!
Not to be little Englander, but why are they speaking French?
I think when you're s**tting yourself you tend to revert to your mother tongue Not to be little Englander, but why are they speaking French?
Quite a good video with some more detail including flight tracks etc. Skip to 7:30ish for a bit more of the radio transmission.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cslSQB5mgyc
Those cockpit alarms are absolutely terrifying, definitely a fan/s
t interface!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cslSQB5mgyc
Those cockpit alarms are absolutely terrifying, definitely a fan/s
t interface!Edited by Krikkit on Thursday 7th April 10:18
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