Anyone want 993RS suspension on their 993?
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Hey Domster,
Is the kit new and is everything included? How reasonabbly priced is it?
My car is a Carrera S so already has the stock Turbo (Sports) suspension but the car has now done 35k miles....how long do these componants tend to last for?
Just wondering, if the price is right would it be a worthwhile upgrade?
Cheers
Is the kit new and is everything included? How reasonabbly priced is it?
My car is a Carrera S so already has the stock Turbo (Sports) suspension but the car has now done 35k miles....how long do these componants tend to last for?
Just wondering, if the price is right would it be a worthwhile upgrade?
Cheers
UV there is a world of difference between the 964RS suspension where your spleen gets pounded and you p*ss blood for a day after every journey, than the more advanced 993RS set up.
Plus seeing as you have a 964Turbo not only would any RS suspension not suit it because of the extra weight of the turbo engine, but im sure if you actually had genuine 964 RS kit on it it would have only been shocks & maybe springs anyway. Not the more camber rear stabilizers & trailing arm mounts and ball joint top mount fittings front and rear. Colin may correct me but I dont think 993RS stuff would fit your Turbo anyway.
Plus seeing as you have a 964Turbo not only would any RS suspension not suit it because of the extra weight of the turbo engine, but im sure if you actually had genuine 964 RS kit on it it would have only been shocks & maybe springs anyway. Not the more camber rear stabilizers & trailing arm mounts and ball joint top mount fittings front and rear. Colin may correct me but I dont think 993RS stuff would fit your Turbo anyway.
I had RS shocks with Ruff springs (~35 mm drop).
My point still stands. Lower and stiffer does not equal better handling, necessarily. Regardless of the 993RS's sophistication it, by definition, is not going to provide the compromise that the standard turbo kit does. On A/B roads and motorways you are faced with constantly changing camber/surface. This is where you need play/travel in your suspension. Without it your tires end up momentarily airborne and road holding goes out the window (and car goes in ditch). On a track you don't need compromise you need RS suspension.
As you say, you pay your money and take your choices….
My point still stands. Lower and stiffer does not equal better handling, necessarily. Regardless of the 993RS's sophistication it, by definition, is not going to provide the compromise that the standard turbo kit does. On A/B roads and motorways you are faced with constantly changing camber/surface. This is where you need play/travel in your suspension. Without it your tires end up momentarily airborne and road holding goes out the window (and car goes in ditch). On a track you don't need compromise you need RS suspension.
As you say, you pay your money and take your choices….
ultra violent said: I had RS shocks with Ruff springs (~35 mm drop).
Which RS shocks 964 or 993??
I totally agree with what you say UV but have you driven a 993RS? it is a totally different car to the 964RS on which the suspension is not IMHO suited to fast B rd driving. I find the suspension near perfect for road and not much more track biased like the 964. Anyway neither of these set ups suit the characteristics of your Turbo anyway, as those who have driven a 964 Turbo S wil confirm it is practically undrivable on Uk B roads as is the 993 GT2.
However decent firmer suspension not race hard stuff, rather than the standard set up of most porkers which is designed to suit all owner types in all differnet countries is in 99% of cases an improvement. Surely I cannot be alone in thinking the 993RS is possibly the best sporting balance to some out of the factory as standard?
>> Edited by iguana on Thursday 17th October 15:01
It had 964 RS stuff…
I’m not dissing 993 RS suspension, I’m sure it is a technical marvel. However, the fact of the matter is it is geared towards track day use with little consideration to normal roads. Having bought a car, and got excited over very low, very stiff suspension, I would urge people to spend time thinking about what they are sticking on their car. I still maintain that the std turbo suspension on a C2 S is a far more sensible choice for a predominately road going car (this is before we get into the issues of the extra weight and different geometry of a C2 S over RS).
Personally, I’d spend the money on coke and ladies, but you all knew that anyway….
I’m not dissing 993 RS suspension, I’m sure it is a technical marvel. However, the fact of the matter is it is geared towards track day use with little consideration to normal roads. Having bought a car, and got excited over very low, very stiff suspension, I would urge people to spend time thinking about what they are sticking on their car. I still maintain that the std turbo suspension on a C2 S is a far more sensible choice for a predominately road going car (this is before we get into the issues of the extra weight and different geometry of a C2 S over RS).
Personally, I’d spend the money on coke and ladies, but you all knew that anyway….
Go on then, ten whole points for the one who answers this correctly:
If the 964RS suspension is so hard and "unsuitable" for road use, how come that the 964RS Touring with the same kit is much more comfortable and can be driven for miles in relative comfort???
What do you mean, you've never driven one? In that case take a guess based something totally fundamental.
I have opinions on everything mentioned, but let's see if we can develop the thread first...
If the 964RS suspension is so hard and "unsuitable" for road use, how come that the 964RS Touring with the same kit is much more comfortable and can be driven for miles in relative comfort???
What do you mean, you've never driven one? In that case take a guess based something totally fundamental.
I have opinions on everything mentioned, but let's see if we can develop the thread first...
Well Ive driven a fair few Tourings & lightweights so I think I can actually answer this one, hmmm lets see could it be that the Touring is approx 100kg heavier than the Clubsport or Basic model (lightweight) so that the suspension actually has some weight to carry do I get the 10 points... I'm also assuming that you are thinking that because UV's Turbo 2 is 200kg (mainly at the rear)more than an RS that his car should have been far less harsh than even the Touring.....
ers who think the touring is an RS and their American style arse absorbing all the bumps.Funily enough Dom, Colin & myself have been discussing the very same mods for the 964 RS. I have driven a car that had standard RS shocks but Carrera springs at the front and liked the way it drove, while Colin has a customer who fitted 993RS front struts but I think kept 964RS springs. Both mods would keep a good firm ride but loose the 964RS tendency to have the nose pushed off line by B road bumps.
I am a big fan of suspension kits such as H & R on standard Carreras and would like to see what sort of feel that would give on the RS.
>> Edited by iguana on Friday 18th October 12:09
I am a big fan of suspension kits such as H & R on standard Carreras and would like to see what sort of feel that would give on the RS.
>> Edited by iguana on Friday 18th October 12:09
Burnham said:
My car is a Carrera S so already has the stock Turbo (Sports) suspension
Burnham,
Is it a 2S or 4S? If it's a 2S it's got stock Carrera 2 suspension unless Turbo suspension was optioned... The 4S got the turbo suspension and brakes from the factory, 2S did not. We can compare on Sunday if you like, i assume you're coming to VW?
By the way, i've got my RSR mufflers too now. They did the 3100 miles of the Cannonball Run last week and i swear they're quieter now than when i left!
Thanks for your recommendation, they're the dog's danglies.
PPP
Iguana,
If you had used the term "MASS DAMPING" you would have scored the full ten points. The bottom line is that a heavier car will carry stiffer springs and stiffer dampers better (i.e. will ride more comfortably) because the higher mass resists similar forces more than the lighter mass. Hence fitting RS suspension to a 965 is not as daft as it sounds.
If you had used the term "MASS DAMPING" you would have scored the full ten points. The bottom line is that a heavier car will carry stiffer springs and stiffer dampers better (i.e. will ride more comfortably) because the higher mass resists similar forces more than the lighter mass. Hence fitting RS suspension to a 965 is not as daft as it sounds.
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