Muslim Terrorism - I have the solution
Discussion
Surely the west can stage an apperence of Allah himself in the skys, by some form of projection. He could look exactly as expected, and could then proceed to tell muslims not to carry out attacks. As religeous beleivers the terrorists are clearly brainless, so im sure it would work, I commend the idea to the house.
r988 said:
The bible actually says the antichrist will do something like this to decieve everyone in the last days, so there goes that idea, unless you want to confirm to all religious nutters that they are in fact right and to make things about a million times worse.
By the way you aren't the antichrist by any chance are you?
Your talking about what it says in the Bible, not the Koran, they are different arnt they?
Reminds me of the christian woman who crashed her car as she thought the Rapture was beginning (look it up).
What had, in fact happened, was some sex dolls inflated with helium had been let off by some prankster as a joke or something.
(Actually, now I write this, I can't help feeling this is probably apocryphal)
Edit: Damn. Snopes says it is an Urban Myth. Pity. See here
>> Edited by JonRB on Wednesday 3rd August 13:41
What had, in fact happened, was some sex dolls inflated with helium had been let off by some prankster as a joke or something.
(Actually, now I write this, I can't help feeling this is probably apocryphal)
Edit: Damn. Snopes says it is an Urban Myth. Pity. See here
>> Edited by JonRB on Wednesday 3rd August 13:41
Warning long post....
There is a solution but the contemplation of which would make me the most hated person in the world ever. It concerns the Quoran and the fact it has remained in its original form since its first writing.
Unlike the bible (which is considered the "living" word of God to Christians) the Quoran is considered the actual word of God and to change anything in it is to invoke the wrath of Allah and hence the wrath of Islam. If you have read the Quoran you would find that the book itself is a journey and many of the edicts and rules were invoked upon the followers in response to their behaviour e.g. the current no alcohol (paraphase here as the actual words are about fermented wheat, hops etc and not alcohol itself) started out as a command not to get too drunk especially before battle. This, in the story, the followers failed to do (getting incapacitated the night before an important battle). Therefore the no alcohol rule came into effect.
In a similar way the "many virgins in paradise" clause was to encourage the young men before a battle. This message needs to be seen in its historical context and whilst maybe not "changed" (hey no one likes to invoke the wrath of the one God) but de-emphasised in the current climate.
If all of Islam can get the message across that there is no war (also get rid of the west's dangerous phrase "War on Terror" - good sound bite, bad policy) and that it is time to move on from the battles and into the political arena.
If you read last weeks New Scientist there was an article on how "normal" the suicide bombers were and that anyone could be changed into a suicide bomber. Therefore we need to target the thinking and not the people. Not by banning or by enforcement but by discourse and exchange. The Quoran needs to be understood in the modern world because though the word of God is sacrosanct His meaning (by this I mean the human understanding of His words) may have changed.
There is a solution but the contemplation of which would make me the most hated person in the world ever. It concerns the Quoran and the fact it has remained in its original form since its first writing.
Unlike the bible (which is considered the "living" word of God to Christians) the Quoran is considered the actual word of God and to change anything in it is to invoke the wrath of Allah and hence the wrath of Islam. If you have read the Quoran you would find that the book itself is a journey and many of the edicts and rules were invoked upon the followers in response to their behaviour e.g. the current no alcohol (paraphase here as the actual words are about fermented wheat, hops etc and not alcohol itself) started out as a command not to get too drunk especially before battle. This, in the story, the followers failed to do (getting incapacitated the night before an important battle). Therefore the no alcohol rule came into effect.
In a similar way the "many virgins in paradise" clause was to encourage the young men before a battle. This message needs to be seen in its historical context and whilst maybe not "changed" (hey no one likes to invoke the wrath of the one God) but de-emphasised in the current climate.
If all of Islam can get the message across that there is no war (also get rid of the west's dangerous phrase "War on Terror" - good sound bite, bad policy) and that it is time to move on from the battles and into the political arena.
If you read last weeks New Scientist there was an article on how "normal" the suicide bombers were and that anyone could be changed into a suicide bomber. Therefore we need to target the thinking and not the people. Not by banning or by enforcement but by discourse and exchange. The Quoran needs to be understood in the modern world because though the word of God is sacrosanct His meaning (by this I mean the human understanding of His words) may have changed.
Jinx said:
Warning long post....
There is a solution but the contemplation of which would make me the most hated person in the world ever. It concerns the Quoran and the fact it has remained in its original form since its first writing.
Unlike the bible (which is considered the "living" word of God to Christians) the Quoran is considered the actual word of God and to change anything in it is to invoke the wrath of Allah and hence the wrath of Islam. If you have read the Quoran you would find that the book itself is a journey and many of the edicts and rules were invoked upon the followers in response to their behaviour e.g. the current no alcohol (paraphase here as the actual words are about fermented wheat, hops etc and not alcohol itself) started out as a command not to get too drunk especially before battle. This, in the story, the followers failed to do (getting incapacitated the night before an important battle). Therefore the no alcohol rule came into effect.
In a similar way the "many virgins in paradise" clause was to encourage the young men before a battle. This message needs to be seen in its historical context and whilst maybe not "changed" (hey no one likes to invoke the wrath of the one God) but de-emphasised in the current climate.
If all of Islam can get the message across that there is no war (also get rid of the west's dangerous phrase "War on Terror" - good sound bite, bad policy) and that it is time to move on from the battles and into the political arena.
If you read last weeks New Scientist there was an article on how "normal" the suicide bombers were and that anyone could be changed into a suicide bomber. Therefore we need to target the thinking and not the people. Not by banning or by enforcement but by discourse and exchange. The Quoran needs to be understood in the modern world because though the word of God is sacrosanct His meaning (by this I mean the human understanding of His words) may have changed.
I agree and the same thing with the bible or whatever floats your boat, even with the Torah, which is also copied exactly as it should have been originally, there is the potential for things to get misinterpreted depending on how you look at it. In fact since most of these books are in part a system of 'laws' they are subject to interpretation and can be twisted to mean whatever you want really, and lawyers earn a good living doing the same thing to law. It may not be 'in the spirit of the law', but that doesn't matter to lawyers. Not to mention meanings and words change over time to make clarification extremely difficult if not impossible.
Anyway if God came down (assuming it was god and not a hallucination) and said go kill those people over there, they wont obey me, I'd tell him to feck off and do his own dirty work, any god that asks you to do something like that could not be correct, and even it was do you really want to worship that god?
Oh and Jews, Christians and Muslims are all from the same 'root' religion, they all just split into divisions and then various subdivisions within each division and so on, mainly because each group has a different interpretation of something, ultimately it comes down to each person having their own interpretation so everyone more or less has their own religion, but essentially they all worship the same god. Confused, good because thats they way they like it, it helps them (so called higher authorities) to keep power and control.
UKBob said:
[LOB quote]
Nobody is to make any projections in the sky until I blow this whistle — even, and I want to make this absolutely clear, even if they do say, 'Jehovah. [/]
Brian says "you are all individuals"
Followers say "yes we are are all individuals" in unison.
Really sums up religeous belief for me.
ocean1 said:
[LOB quote]
Nobody is to make any projections in the sky until I blow this whistle — even, and I want to make this absolutely clear, even if they do say, 'Jehovah. [/]
Brian says "you are all individuals"
Followers say "yes we are are all individuals" in unison.
Really sums up religeous belief for me.
Actually sums up all dogmatic belief for me (its not limited to religion unfortunately)
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