Mosely - on Netflix
Discussion
StevieBee said:
Don't think this has been covered but well worth a watch. I assume it must have been his last proper interview before his departure.
Covers much of what we already know but some interesting stuff on his drive for better road safety post F1 - particularly in India.
Great, I wanted to watch this when it came out but I wasn't prepared to pay a one-off fee for the privilege Covers much of what we already know but some interesting stuff on his drive for better road safety post F1 - particularly in India.
I'm sure this was discussed elsewhere but even the worst people can have some redeeming qualities.
The fact is that statistically his push for road safety has saved tens of thousands of lives and while not exculpatory that far outweighs whatever shenanigans he got up to.
Anyone who knows someone seriously injured or killed in a road crash will understand and look past his F1 and spanking exploits.
The fact is that statistically his push for road safety has saved tens of thousands of lives and while not exculpatory that far outweighs whatever shenanigans he got up to.
Anyone who knows someone seriously injured or killed in a road crash will understand and look past his F1 and spanking exploits.
cgt2 said:
I'm sure this was discussed elsewhere but even the worst people can have some redeeming qualities.
The fact is that statistically his push for road safety has saved tens of thousands of lives and while not exculpatory that far outweighs whatever shenanigans he got up to.
Anyone who knows someone seriously injured or killed in a road crash will understand and look past his F1 and spanking exploits.
To be fair, the fact we know about his personal life shouldn't be a reflection on his character really. With most 'normal' people that stuff stays private and we judge them on the parts they choose to share.The fact is that statistically his push for road safety has saved tens of thousands of lives and while not exculpatory that far outweighs whatever shenanigans he got up to.
Anyone who knows someone seriously injured or killed in a road crash will understand and look past his F1 and spanking exploits.
But as per my post above, once you know... It's hard to ignore. I do think he also has a lot to be rightly proud of though, and appears overall to be motivated by the right things. And also some whippy and spikey things.
TheDeuce said:
To be fair, the fact we know about his personal life shouldn't be a reflection on his character really. With most 'normal' people that stuff stays private and we judge them on the parts they choose to share.
But as per my post above, once you know... It's hard to ignore. I do think he also has a lot to be rightly proud of though, and appears overall to be motivated by the right things. And also some whippy and spikey things.
I revised my perspective of him after learning just how much he personally pushed the big manufacturers for road safety. In that instance him being a petulant belligerent sh*t undoubtedly paid dividends. A less arrogant character may well have buckled to big industry.But as per my post above, once you know... It's hard to ignore. I do think he also has a lot to be rightly proud of though, and appears overall to be motivated by the right things. And also some whippy and spikey things.
cgt2 said:
TheDeuce said:
To be fair, the fact we know about his personal life shouldn't be a reflection on his character really. With most 'normal' people that stuff stays private and we judge them on the parts they choose to share.
But as per my post above, once you know... It's hard to ignore. I do think he also has a lot to be rightly proud of though, and appears overall to be motivated by the right things. And also some whippy and spikey things.
I revised my perspective of him after learning just how much he personally pushed the big manufacturers for road safety. In that instance him being a petulant belligerent sh*t undoubtedly paid dividends. A less arrogant character may well have buckled to big industry.But as per my post above, once you know... It's hard to ignore. I do think he also has a lot to be rightly proud of though, and appears overall to be motivated by the right things. And also some whippy and spikey things.
Fair enough, he's still a hero in terms of F1's history. It's just tough to not think about the spankiness..
And then we have BE that somehow managed to get a 44 year old pregnant when he was 89, thus defying what we know of normal human limitations.. He has to be an alien/new species.
Or more likely, they're both high functioning individuals that simply don't give a f.... But achieved what they set out to achieve. I just think the world has moved on and listening to BE's views on Putin being a lovely guy or thinking about Mosely being bent over with wooden spoon in his mouth is a tough sell right now
TheDeuce said:
I get it, he's basically a very clever, generally well meaning and successful chap. If we didn't know about the kinky stuff he'd be a hero.
Fair enough, he's still a hero in terms of F1's history. It's just tough to not think about the spankiness..
And then we have BE that somehow managed to get a 44 year old pregnant when he was 89, thus defying what we know of normal human limitations.. He has to be an alien/new species.
Or more likely, they're both high functioning individuals that simply don't give a f.... But achieved what they set out to achieve. I just think the world has moved on and listening to BE's views on Putin being a lovely guy or thinking about Mosely being bent over with wooden spoon in his mouth is a tough sell right now
He was a complex character. Saved lives and made a generational change to road safety but very much a class snob as many of his generation are. Fair enough, he's still a hero in terms of F1's history. It's just tough to not think about the spankiness..
And then we have BE that somehow managed to get a 44 year old pregnant when he was 89, thus defying what we know of normal human limitations.. He has to be an alien/new species.
Or more likely, they're both high functioning individuals that simply don't give a f.... But achieved what they set out to achieve. I just think the world has moved on and listening to BE's views on Putin being a lovely guy or thinking about Mosely being bent over with wooden spoon in his mouth is a tough sell right now
His pathological hatred of Ron Dennis was undoubtedly because Ron was a successful self made guy from a working class background. Which ironically is exactly what Bernie was too but I guess Max knew it was better to be chums with Bernie, it served both their purposes.
Bernie has always been weird but the perfect summation of him now is the look of sheer confusion on Nico Rosberg's face in their recent interview when he starts calling Trump intelligent
cgt2 said:
TheDeuce said:
I get it, he's basically a very clever, generally well meaning and successful chap. If we didn't know about the kinky stuff he'd be a hero.
Fair enough, he's still a hero in terms of F1's history. It's just tough to not think about the spankiness..
And then we have BE that somehow managed to get a 44 year old pregnant when he was 89, thus defying what we know of normal human limitations.. He has to be an alien/new species.
Or more likely, they're both high functioning individuals that simply don't give a f.... But achieved what they set out to achieve. I just think the world has moved on and listening to BE's views on Putin being a lovely guy or thinking about Mosely being bent over with wooden spoon in his mouth is a tough sell right now
He was a complex character. Saved lives and made a generational change to road safety but very much a class snob as many of his generation are. Fair enough, he's still a hero in terms of F1's history. It's just tough to not think about the spankiness..
And then we have BE that somehow managed to get a 44 year old pregnant when he was 89, thus defying what we know of normal human limitations.. He has to be an alien/new species.
Or more likely, they're both high functioning individuals that simply don't give a f.... But achieved what they set out to achieve. I just think the world has moved on and listening to BE's views on Putin being a lovely guy or thinking about Mosely being bent over with wooden spoon in his mouth is a tough sell right now
His pathological hatred of Ron Dennis was undoubtedly because Ron was a successful self made guy from a working class background. Which ironically is exactly what Bernie was too but I guess Max knew it was better to be chums with Bernie, it served both their purposes.
Bernie has always been weird but the perfect summation of him now is the look of sheer confusion on Nico Rosberg's face in their recent interview when he starts calling Trump intelligent
I think we just have to accept it's pointless to criticise a person that got so much right, made all the clever calls at the right times. He won. Anyone with a different view needs to make their own billions and then reflect upon how tuned in BE is... Personally I suspect that BE's support of mentalists is simply him taking a shortcut to more money. I don't think he cares about how those of us on the outside judge his support of whoever has the money.
Nor should he. I expect he sees F1 and the worlds media as a game to play, and is really only interested in his own family and personal wellbeing. As would I be.
TheDeuce said:
We have BE claiming that an idiot is intelligent, yet BE himself is obviously intelligent. What to make of that!? I suppose it's easy to say that BE is now a bit ditzy.. But the bottom line is that nothing he has said recently is any weirder than anything he said when he was making extra billions a year. So he's out of date but still basically BE and the same man.
I think we just have to accept it's pointless to criticise a person that got so much right, made all the clever calls at the right times. He won. Anyone with a different view needs to make their own billions and then reflect upon how tuned in BE is... Personally I suspect that BE's support of mentalists is simply him taking a shortcut to more money. I don't think he cares about how those of us on the outside judge his support of whoever has the money.
Nor should he. I expect he sees F1 and the worlds media as a game to play, and is really only interested in his own family and personal wellbeing. As would I be.
I agree completely. Bernie has always seemed like a Keyser Soze type puppetmaster. Controlling the narrative relies on disinformation, lobbing out ludicrous statements to destabilise people and generally playing people like a violin. I have no doubt he is an absolute master at this and clearly was/is much sharper than many people in the upper levels of business and politics. Praising despots undoubtedly serves a purpose for him in some way, if only to make people think he's gone nuts which he probably has not I think we just have to accept it's pointless to criticise a person that got so much right, made all the clever calls at the right times. He won. Anyone with a different view needs to make their own billions and then reflect upon how tuned in BE is... Personally I suspect that BE's support of mentalists is simply him taking a shortcut to more money. I don't think he cares about how those of us on the outside judge his support of whoever has the money.
Nor should he. I expect he sees F1 and the worlds media as a game to play, and is really only interested in his own family and personal wellbeing. As would I be.
cgt2 said:
TheDeuce said:
We have BE claiming that an idiot is intelligent, yet BE himself is obviously intelligent. What to make of that!? I suppose it's easy to say that BE is now a bit ditzy.. But the bottom line is that nothing he has said recently is any weirder than anything he said when he was making extra billions a year. So he's out of date but still basically BE and the same man.
I think we just have to accept it's pointless to criticise a person that got so much right, made all the clever calls at the right times. He won. Anyone with a different view needs to make their own billions and then reflect upon how tuned in BE is... Personally I suspect that BE's support of mentalists is simply him taking a shortcut to more money. I don't think he cares about how those of us on the outside judge his support of whoever has the money.
Nor should he. I expect he sees F1 and the worlds media as a game to play, and is really only interested in his own family and personal wellbeing. As would I be.
I agree completely. Bernie has always seemed like a Keyser Soze type puppetmaster. Controlling the narrative relies on disinformation, lobbing out ludicrous statements to destabilise people and generally playing people like a violin. I have no doubt he is an absolute master at this and clearly was/is much sharper than many people in the upper levels of business and politics. Praising despots undoubtedly serves a purpose for him in some way, if only to make people think he's gone nuts which he probably has not I think we just have to accept it's pointless to criticise a person that got so much right, made all the clever calls at the right times. He won. Anyone with a different view needs to make their own billions and then reflect upon how tuned in BE is... Personally I suspect that BE's support of mentalists is simply him taking a shortcut to more money. I don't think he cares about how those of us on the outside judge his support of whoever has the money.
Nor should he. I expect he sees F1 and the worlds media as a game to play, and is really only interested in his own family and personal wellbeing. As would I be.
TheDeuce said:
We have BE claiming that an idiot is intelligent, yet BE himself is obviously intelligent. What to make of that!? I suppose it's easy to say that BE is now a bit ditzy.. But the bottom line is that nothing he has said recently is any weirder than anything he said when he was making extra billions a year. So he's out of date but still basically BE and the same man.
I think we just have to accept it's pointless to criticise a person that got so much right, made all the clever calls at the right times. He won. Anyone with a different view needs to make their own billions and then reflect upon how tuned in BE is... Personally I suspect that BE's support of mentalists is simply him taking a shortcut to more money. I don't think he cares about how those of us on the outside judge his support of whoever has the money.
Nor should he. I expect he sees F1 and the worlds media as a game to play, and is really only interested in his own family and personal wellbeing. As would I be.
Going a little OT here but.....I think we just have to accept it's pointless to criticise a person that got so much right, made all the clever calls at the right times. He won. Anyone with a different view needs to make their own billions and then reflect upon how tuned in BE is... Personally I suspect that BE's support of mentalists is simply him taking a shortcut to more money. I don't think he cares about how those of us on the outside judge his support of whoever has the money.
Nor should he. I expect he sees F1 and the worlds media as a game to play, and is really only interested in his own family and personal wellbeing. As would I be.
Some of the most successful people I've worked with (from salespeople to highly successful business people) have, in my experience, a common trait in that they all come across as either a bit dim or a bit thick. Being a student and operator in the field of human behaviour enables me to see past this and when you do, you find the opposite is the case.
My theory as to why this approach is effective is that people tend not to like being shown up and like to think that they have the upper hand - that they are in some way superior. So if your objective is to get something from them (money, for example), adopting a persona that appears to position you as more lowly on the grey matter front than them, disarms them. It makes you more personable to a level that you're not seen as a risk or threat.
Where the need to be very clever comes in is in; a) knowing this and; b) where the balance is between positioning one's self at just a low enough position without coming across as an idiot.
You've mentioned Trump and he's a good example of this. Boris is another. Outwardly a bit thick but actually, razor sharp (which is an observation on their mode of operation rather than any political commentary). A case in point...
When he was Mayor of London I had cause to attend a meeting with about 20 other people at City Hall. Boris was there. A rather lively, completely off-agenda discussion ensued between four other people that went on for a good ten minutes. It was like Boris didn't want to be there. He took three calls, made one, chatted to the bloke next to him before slapping his hand on the table and in less than a minute articulated the most precise interjection which tackled every point the four of them had been using to argue their case before casting his decision (which was the right one) on the matter and moving the meeting on.
It was very impressive and the reason why people like him achieve what they do.
As we are now well off topic...
BE is a disruptor, likes to disarm people, make waves. Remember all that British GP going to Donnington ? It was just stirring things so they could get a better deal at Silverstone.
There is a story (might be in one of the biographies) where he was just starting out. Attended a high level meeting in a board room somewhere, got up in the middle of the meeting and started rearranging the pictures on the walls, a total distraction.
He and Max made a formidable team.
As for MAX and RD, there is a much, much deeper story there (I don't know what it is!).
BE is a disruptor, likes to disarm people, make waves. Remember all that British GP going to Donnington ? It was just stirring things so they could get a better deal at Silverstone.
There is a story (might be in one of the biographies) where he was just starting out. Attended a high level meeting in a board room somewhere, got up in the middle of the meeting and started rearranging the pictures on the walls, a total distraction.
He and Max made a formidable team.
As for MAX and RD, there is a much, much deeper story there (I don't know what it is!).
StevieBee said:
Going a little OT here but.....
Some of the most successful people I've worked with (from salespeople to highly successful business people) have, in my experience, a common trait in that they all come across as either a bit dim or a bit thick. Being a student and operator in the field of human behaviour enables me to see past this and when you do, you find the opposite is the case.
My theory as to why this approach is effective is that people tend not to like being shown up and like to think that they have the upper hand - that they are in some way superior. So if your objective is to get something from them (money, for example), adopting a persona that appears to position you as more lowly on the grey matter front than them, disarms them. It makes you more personable to a level that you're not seen as a risk or threat.
Where the need to be very clever comes in is in; a) knowing this and; b) where the balance is between positioning one's self at just a low enough position without coming across as an idiot.
You've mentioned Trump and he's a good example of this. Boris is another. Outwardly a bit thick but actually, razor sharp (which is an observation on their mode of operation rather than any political commentary). A case in point...
When he was Mayor of London I had cause to attend a meeting with about 20 other people at City Hall. Boris was there. A rather lively, completely off-agenda discussion ensued between four other people that went on for a good ten minutes. It was like Boris didn't want to be there. He took three calls, made one, chatted to the bloke next to him before slapping his hand on the table and in less than a minute articulated the most precise interjection which tackled every point the four of them had been using to argue their case before casting his decision (which was the right one) on the matter and moving the meeting on.
It was very impressive and the reason why people like him achieve what they do.
I've met Boris and agree, he clearly has a very short attention span and lives in the moment but his vocabulary and knowledge of quite obscure historical information suggests quite an intellect. Not sure the same applies to Trump as his childish former tweets suggested zero critical awareness and often he incriminated himself with his own words. Everything he did seemed driven by the victim complex which struck a chord with vast swathes of the US. Present legal troubles in New York also suggest fraud on a vast scale, the classic case of projection where the crook points to everyone else as crooked.Some of the most successful people I've worked with (from salespeople to highly successful business people) have, in my experience, a common trait in that they all come across as either a bit dim or a bit thick. Being a student and operator in the field of human behaviour enables me to see past this and when you do, you find the opposite is the case.
My theory as to why this approach is effective is that people tend not to like being shown up and like to think that they have the upper hand - that they are in some way superior. So if your objective is to get something from them (money, for example), adopting a persona that appears to position you as more lowly on the grey matter front than them, disarms them. It makes you more personable to a level that you're not seen as a risk or threat.
Where the need to be very clever comes in is in; a) knowing this and; b) where the balance is between positioning one's self at just a low enough position without coming across as an idiot.
You've mentioned Trump and he's a good example of this. Boris is another. Outwardly a bit thick but actually, razor sharp (which is an observation on their mode of operation rather than any political commentary). A case in point...
When he was Mayor of London I had cause to attend a meeting with about 20 other people at City Hall. Boris was there. A rather lively, completely off-agenda discussion ensued between four other people that went on for a good ten minutes. It was like Boris didn't want to be there. He took three calls, made one, chatted to the bloke next to him before slapping his hand on the table and in less than a minute articulated the most precise interjection which tackled every point the four of them had been using to argue their case before casting his decision (which was the right one) on the matter and moving the meeting on.
It was very impressive and the reason why people like him achieve what they do.
Nixon was another one - if anyone has heard the tapes from the White House it is quite amazing that he said the things he did knowing they were being taped. Either delusion or stupidity but his legacy has been the many foul racist and criminal things he said all on tape ironically on a system he had set up!
There are so many layers to some of these characters, often completely contradictory and MM and BE also fit into that mould.
cgt2 said:
StevieBee said:
Going a little OT here but.....
Some of the most successful people I've worked with (from salespeople to highly successful business people) have, in my experience, a common trait in that they all come across as either a bit dim or a bit thick. Being a student and operator in the field of human behaviour enables me to see past this and when you do, you find the opposite is the case.
My theory as to why this approach is effective is that people tend not to like being shown up and like to think that they have the upper hand - that they are in some way superior. So if your objective is to get something from them (money, for example), adopting a persona that appears to position you as more lowly on the grey matter front than them, disarms them. It makes you more personable to a level that you're not seen as a risk or threat.
Where the need to be very clever comes in is in; a) knowing this and; b) where the balance is between positioning one's self at just a low enough position without coming across as an idiot.
You've mentioned Trump and he's a good example of this. Boris is another. Outwardly a bit thick but actually, razor sharp (which is an observation on their mode of operation rather than any political commentary). A case in point...
When he was Mayor of London I had cause to attend a meeting with about 20 other people at City Hall. Boris was there. A rather lively, completely off-agenda discussion ensued between four other people that went on for a good ten minutes. It was like Boris didn't want to be there. He took three calls, made one, chatted to the bloke next to him before slapping his hand on the table and in less than a minute articulated the most precise interjection which tackled every point the four of them had been using to argue their case before casting his decision (which was the right one) on the matter and moving the meeting on.
It was very impressive and the reason why people like him achieve what they do.
I've met Boris and agree, he clearly has a very short attention span and lives in the moment but his vocabulary and knowledge of quite obscure historical information suggests quite an intellect. Not sure the same applies to Trump as his childish former tweets suggested zero critical awareness and often he incriminated himself with his own words. Everything he did seemed driven by the victim complex which struck a chord with vast swathes of the US. Present legal troubles in New York also suggest fraud on a vast scale, the classic case of projection where the crook points to everyone else as crooked.Some of the most successful people I've worked with (from salespeople to highly successful business people) have, in my experience, a common trait in that they all come across as either a bit dim or a bit thick. Being a student and operator in the field of human behaviour enables me to see past this and when you do, you find the opposite is the case.
My theory as to why this approach is effective is that people tend not to like being shown up and like to think that they have the upper hand - that they are in some way superior. So if your objective is to get something from them (money, for example), adopting a persona that appears to position you as more lowly on the grey matter front than them, disarms them. It makes you more personable to a level that you're not seen as a risk or threat.
Where the need to be very clever comes in is in; a) knowing this and; b) where the balance is between positioning one's self at just a low enough position without coming across as an idiot.
You've mentioned Trump and he's a good example of this. Boris is another. Outwardly a bit thick but actually, razor sharp (which is an observation on their mode of operation rather than any political commentary). A case in point...
When he was Mayor of London I had cause to attend a meeting with about 20 other people at City Hall. Boris was there. A rather lively, completely off-agenda discussion ensued between four other people that went on for a good ten minutes. It was like Boris didn't want to be there. He took three calls, made one, chatted to the bloke next to him before slapping his hand on the table and in less than a minute articulated the most precise interjection which tackled every point the four of them had been using to argue their case before casting his decision (which was the right one) on the matter and moving the meeting on.
It was very impressive and the reason why people like him achieve what they do.
Nixon was another one - if anyone has heard the tapes from the White House it is quite amazing that he said the things he did knowing they were being taped. Either delusion or stupidity but his legacy has been the many foul racist and criminal things he said all on tape ironically on a system he had set up!
There are so many layers to some of these characters, often completely contradictory and MM and BE also fit into that mould.
The smartest people are outwardly baffled or disinterested in what is going on around them. They let others then show their intentions as those people think they 'take control'. Then the Boris, or whoever, has the real measure of the situation and mood and they have something real to react too - which they'll do instinctively and in no time at all. BE is also a prime example of the same thing - he absorbs, quietly, most of what he says is said to extract a response from others, then once he has the field of play fully established he moves. Or at least he did when he was in charge..
If someone is more successful than you but you think they're acting like an idiot - there's a good chance they're acting that way for reasons you can't understand! So perhaps stop short of calling them an idiot
Very OT now but I can't help think we've not ever seen a fair showing from Boris as PM. He started with brexit fallout, then covid, then a war happened. He hasn't had a single quiet or representative day of being a PM and I doubt he ever will. I suppose one day we'll judge his entire career in politics based on whether or not he had a Christmas party... A little harsh imo. Same as we judge spanky on his love of being spanked and now BE on his love of being old and saying un-PC things. We remember and obsess over the faults of fellow humans, not their overall contribution. Human nature.
TheDeuce said:
cgt2 said:
StevieBee said:
Going a little OT here but.....
Some of the most successful people I've worked with (from salespeople to highly successful business people) have, in my experience, a common trait in that they all come across as either a bit dim or a bit thick. Being a student and operator in the field of human behaviour enables me to see past this and when you do, you find the opposite is the case.
My theory as to why this approach is effective is that people tend not to like being shown up and like to think that they have the upper hand - that they are in some way superior. So if your objective is to get something from them (money, for example), adopting a persona that appears to position you as more lowly on the grey matter front than them, disarms them. It makes you more personable to a level that you're not seen as a risk or threat.
Where the need to be very clever comes in is in; a) knowing this and; b) where the balance is between positioning one's self at just a low enough position without coming across as an idiot.
You've mentioned Trump and he's a good example of this. Boris is another. Outwardly a bit thick but actually, razor sharp (which is an observation on their mode of operation rather than any political commentary). A case in point...
When he was Mayor of London I had cause to attend a meeting with about 20 other people at City Hall. Boris was there. A rather lively, completely off-agenda discussion ensued between four other people that went on for a good ten minutes. It was like Boris didn't want to be there. He took three calls, made one, chatted to the bloke next to him before slapping his hand on the table and in less than a minute articulated the most precise interjection which tackled every point the four of them had been using to argue their case before casting his decision (which was the right one) on the matter and moving the meeting on.
It was very impressive and the reason why people like him achieve what they do.
I've met Boris and agree, he clearly has a very short attention span and lives in the moment but his vocabulary and knowledge of quite obscure historical information suggests quite an intellect. Not sure the same applies to Trump as his childish former tweets suggested zero critical awareness and often he incriminated himself with his own words. Everything he did seemed driven by the victim complex which struck a chord with vast swathes of the US. Present legal troubles in New York also suggest fraud on a vast scale, the classic case of projection where the crook points to everyone else as crooked.Some of the most successful people I've worked with (from salespeople to highly successful business people) have, in my experience, a common trait in that they all come across as either a bit dim or a bit thick. Being a student and operator in the field of human behaviour enables me to see past this and when you do, you find the opposite is the case.
My theory as to why this approach is effective is that people tend not to like being shown up and like to think that they have the upper hand - that they are in some way superior. So if your objective is to get something from them (money, for example), adopting a persona that appears to position you as more lowly on the grey matter front than them, disarms them. It makes you more personable to a level that you're not seen as a risk or threat.
Where the need to be very clever comes in is in; a) knowing this and; b) where the balance is between positioning one's self at just a low enough position without coming across as an idiot.
You've mentioned Trump and he's a good example of this. Boris is another. Outwardly a bit thick but actually, razor sharp (which is an observation on their mode of operation rather than any political commentary). A case in point...
When he was Mayor of London I had cause to attend a meeting with about 20 other people at City Hall. Boris was there. A rather lively, completely off-agenda discussion ensued between four other people that went on for a good ten minutes. It was like Boris didn't want to be there. He took three calls, made one, chatted to the bloke next to him before slapping his hand on the table and in less than a minute articulated the most precise interjection which tackled every point the four of them had been using to argue their case before casting his decision (which was the right one) on the matter and moving the meeting on.
It was very impressive and the reason why people like him achieve what they do.
Nixon was another one - if anyone has heard the tapes from the White House it is quite amazing that he said the things he did knowing they were being taped. Either delusion or stupidity but his legacy has been the many foul racist and criminal things he said all on tape ironically on a system he had set up!
There are so many layers to some of these characters, often completely contradictory and MM and BE also fit into that mould.
The smartest people are outwardly baffled or disinterested in what is going on around them. They let others then show their intentions as those people think they 'take control'. Then the Boris, or whoever, has the real measure of the situation and mood and they have something real to react too - which they'll do instinctively and in no time at all. BE is also a prime example of the same thing - he absorbs, quietly, most of what he says is said to extract a response from others, then once he has the field of play fully established he moves. Or at least he did when he was in charge..
If someone is more successful than you but you think they're acting like an idiot - there's a good chance they're acting that way for reasons you can't understand! So perhaps stop short of calling them an idiot
Very OT now but I can't help think we've not ever seen a fair showing from Boris as PM. He started with brexit fallout, then covid, then a war happened. He hasn't had a single quiet or representative day of being a PM and I doubt he ever will. I suppose one day we'll judge his entire career in politics based on whether or not he had a Christmas party... A little harsh imo. Same as we judge spanky on his love of being spanked and now BE on his love of being old and saying un-PC things. We remember and obsess over the faults of fellow humans, not their overall contribution. Human nature.
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