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I watched Duel on Sky last night. I really enjoyed it and reminded me of how good last season was in F1. I am not the biggest Lewis fan. I wanted Max to win for a change and Toto is quoted saying it is human nature to support the underdog. As the season progressed I changed my mind and wanted Lewis to win. I remember taking a dislike to Horner and Max. When I watched the two episodes last night on Sky it reminded me why I changed my mind. Throughout the season it was Red Bull putting pressure on Michael Masi and you could make a DVD of Max’s greatest hits. Michael Masi was weak the whole season being manipulated by Horner. The Sky commentators were clear that the procedures that happened during the last 10 laps of the race were unprecedented and manipulated. They said Lewis was robbed of the title.
I couldn’t agree more and max’s title is tainted.
I couldn’t agree more and max’s title is tainted.
Edited by Jumpingjackflash on Monday 7th March 11:43
I tuned in and watched the opening sequence but I turned over because I realised that Abu Dhabi is still too raw for me to want to re-live the season. What it made me realise is that not only is the 2021 Abu Dhabi Grand Prix and the World Driver's Championship result tainted, but that somehow the whole season and the many excellent races along the way were somehow tainted by the final result too. I am actually quite surprised and sad about that. It doesn't seem rational but that is the way I feel. It should be the best season I have ever seen but in fact it broke my love of the sport a little bit.
I expect I'll watch Drive to Survive but I need them to dissect and interrogate the bad decisions in Abu Dhabi which led to the lap 58 scenario and at the very least try to acknowledge and capture the bad taste that has been left by those bad decisions for so many people.
What happened was an abomination. It is the greatest Formula 1 injustice in my lifetime. If one more production attempts to unironically frame the 2021 season as 'the best season ever, and with an intriguing twist at the end to boot!', I think I am going to puke. It is an insult.
I expect I'll watch Drive to Survive but I need them to dissect and interrogate the bad decisions in Abu Dhabi which led to the lap 58 scenario and at the very least try to acknowledge and capture the bad taste that has been left by those bad decisions for so many people.
What happened was an abomination. It is the greatest Formula 1 injustice in my lifetime. If one more production attempts to unironically frame the 2021 season as 'the best season ever, and with an intriguing twist at the end to boot!', I think I am going to puke. It is an insult.
HustleRussell said:
I tuned in and watched the opening sequence but I turned over because I realised that Abu Dhabi is still too raw for me to want to re-live the season. What it made me realise is that not only is the 2021 Abu Dhabi Grand Prix and the World Driver's Championship result tainted, but that somehow the whole season and the many excellent races along the way were somehow tainted by the final result too. I am actually quite surprised and sad about that. It doesn't seem rational but that is the way I feel. It should be the best season I have ever seen but in fact it broke my love of the sport a little bit.
I expect I'll watch Drive to Survive but I need them to dissect and interrogate the bad decisions in Abu Dhabi which led to the lap 58 scenario and at the very least try to acknowledge and capture the bad taste that has been left by those bad decisions for so many people.
What happened was an abomination. It is the greatest Formula 1 injustice in my lifetime. If one more production attempts to unironically frame the 2021 season as 'the best season ever, and with an intriguing twist at the end to boot!', I think I am going to puke. It is an insult.
Same, except I'm not going to watch whatever Duel is or that Drive to Survive thing.I expect I'll watch Drive to Survive but I need them to dissect and interrogate the bad decisions in Abu Dhabi which led to the lap 58 scenario and at the very least try to acknowledge and capture the bad taste that has been left by those bad decisions for so many people.
What happened was an abomination. It is the greatest Formula 1 injustice in my lifetime. If one more production attempts to unironically frame the 2021 season as 'the best season ever, and with an intriguing twist at the end to boot!', I think I am going to puke. It is an insult.
paulrockliffe said:
HustleRussell said:
I tuned in and watched the opening sequence but I turned over because I realised that Abu Dhabi is still too raw for me to want to re-live the season. What it made me realise is that not only is the 2021 Abu Dhabi Grand Prix and the World Driver's Championship result tainted, but that somehow the whole season and the many excellent races along the way were somehow tainted by the final result too. I am actually quite surprised and sad about that. It doesn't seem rational but that is the way I feel. It should be the best season I have ever seen but in fact it broke my love of the sport a little bit.
I expect I'll watch Drive to Survive but I need them to dissect and interrogate the bad decisions in Abu Dhabi which led to the lap 58 scenario and at the very least try to acknowledge and capture the bad taste that has been left by those bad decisions for so many people.
What happened was an abomination. It is the greatest Formula 1 injustice in my lifetime. If one more production attempts to unironically frame the 2021 season as 'the best season ever, and with an intriguing twist at the end to boot!', I think I am going to puke. It is an insult.
Same, except I'm not going to watch whatever Duel is or that Drive to Survive thing.I expect I'll watch Drive to Survive but I need them to dissect and interrogate the bad decisions in Abu Dhabi which led to the lap 58 scenario and at the very least try to acknowledge and capture the bad taste that has been left by those bad decisions for so many people.
What happened was an abomination. It is the greatest Formula 1 injustice in my lifetime. If one more production attempts to unironically frame the 2021 season as 'the best season ever, and with an intriguing twist at the end to boot!', I think I am going to puke. It is an insult.
Heathwood said:
paulrockliffe said:
HustleRussell said:
I tuned in and watched the opening sequence but I turned over because I realised that Abu Dhabi is still too raw for me to want to re-live the season. What it made me realise is that not only is the 2021 Abu Dhabi Grand Prix and the World Driver's Championship result tainted, but that somehow the whole season and the many excellent races along the way were somehow tainted by the final result too. I am actually quite surprised and sad about that. It doesn't seem rational but that is the way I feel. It should be the best season I have ever seen but in fact it broke my love of the sport a little bit.
I expect I'll watch Drive to Survive but I need them to dissect and interrogate the bad decisions in Abu Dhabi which led to the lap 58 scenario and at the very least try to acknowledge and capture the bad taste that has been left by those bad decisions for so many people.
What happened was an abomination. It is the greatest Formula 1 injustice in my lifetime. If one more production attempts to unironically frame the 2021 season as 'the best season ever, and with an intriguing twist at the end to boot!', I think I am going to puke. It is an insult.
Same, except I'm not going to watch whatever Duel is or that Drive to Survive thing.I expect I'll watch Drive to Survive but I need them to dissect and interrogate the bad decisions in Abu Dhabi which led to the lap 58 scenario and at the very least try to acknowledge and capture the bad taste that has been left by those bad decisions for so many people.
What happened was an abomination. It is the greatest Formula 1 injustice in my lifetime. If one more production attempts to unironically frame the 2021 season as 'the best season ever, and with an intriguing twist at the end to boot!', I think I am going to puke. It is an insult.
Jumpingjackflash said:
I am not the biggest Lewis fan. I wanted Max to win for a change and Toto is quoted saying it is human nature to support the underdog. As the season progressed I changed my mind and wanted Lewis to win. I remember taking a dislike to Horner and Max.
Also I'd like to say that this is exactly my experience of the season!I haven't watched Duel or any of the Drive to Servile (sic) series...
HustleRussell is right. 2021 could have been a memorably great season for many reasons, but it tried too hard to be "a memorably great season for all the wrong reasons", culminating in the bukkake-faced Abu Dhabi fiasco.
There are a very few on here that seem to think that 2021's WDC* was not M Masi though....strangely.
HustleRussell is right. 2021 could have been a memorably great season for many reasons, but it tried too hard to be "a memorably great season for all the wrong reasons", culminating in the bukkake-faced Abu Dhabi fiasco.
There are a very few on here that seem to think that 2021's WDC* was not M Masi though....strangely.
wevster said:
Disappointed with Brundles contribution, he didn't say a word about the controversial ending of the season.
I have lost all respect for him.
Don't be too harsh. I have lost all respect for him.
You don't have to peer too much between the lines of what he (and others in a similar position) say and write to know where they stand but access to the sport to the depth that enables journalistic analysis is controlled by the FIA. It's not right, but has long been a thing. Don't expect much in the way if in-depth review of the matter when the season starts from any commentator or channel other than from those who are no longer dependant upon it for their income.
I've not seen Duel and I am fumin about it. Who do I complain to.
Yours, Daily Mail Reader.
I am now at the "Sometimes life is crap" stage and have moved on to 2022 by watching the car launches, and taking an interest in testing, something I have never done before.
I'm intriguesd by the differences in the new cars, by the spec changes and the way they are reported to handle. I think that the start of the season could be pretty crashtastic.
I wonder how the new cars will react to last minute lunges over the inside kerbs, upsetting the ride height and losing a lot of downforce just when you need to be turning the car.
Ok maybe I haven't quite moved on.
Yours, Daily Mail Reader.
I am now at the "Sometimes life is crap" stage and have moved on to 2022 by watching the car launches, and taking an interest in testing, something I have never done before.
I'm intriguesd by the differences in the new cars, by the spec changes and the way they are reported to handle. I think that the start of the season could be pretty crashtastic.
I wonder how the new cars will react to last minute lunges over the inside kerbs, upsetting the ride height and losing a lot of downforce just when you need to be turning the car.
Ok maybe I haven't quite moved on.
talksthetorque said:
I've not seen Duel and I am fumin about it. Who do I complain to.
Yours, Daily Mail Reader.
I am now at the "Sometimes life is crap" stage and have moved on to 2022 by watching the car launches, and taking an interest in testing, something I have never done before.
I'm intriguesd by the differences in the new cars, by the spec changes and the way they are reported to handle. I think that the start of the season could be pretty crashtastic.
I wonder how the new cars will react to last minute lunges over the inside kerbs, upsetting the ride height and losing a lot of downforce just when you need to be turning the car.
Ok maybe I haven't quite moved on.
I watched Duel and thought it was just another example of SKY’s poor production values. Trying very hard to look like Drive to Survive rather than just their usual end of season review.Yours, Daily Mail Reader.
I am now at the "Sometimes life is crap" stage and have moved on to 2022 by watching the car launches, and taking an interest in testing, something I have never done before.
I'm intriguesd by the differences in the new cars, by the spec changes and the way they are reported to handle. I think that the start of the season could be pretty crashtastic.
I wonder how the new cars will react to last minute lunges over the inside kerbs, upsetting the ride height and losing a lot of downforce just when you need to be turning the car.
Ok maybe I haven't quite moved on.
Lewis has deliberately been tight-lipped during the closed season, but still SKY can produce a program like this without him taking part. Instead just a series of seemingly scripted sound bites from their regular bumbling team.
I do agree with the comments above, it is time to move on and look forwards rather than backwards. Max is a worthy World Champion the summary of his season’s achievements at the end confirmed that.
If the Abu Dhabi incident had happened before Silverstone, then hardly anyone would still be commenting on it and the FIA would have probably reacted more quickly to ensure that such a gross error could never happen again.
rdjohn said:
talksthetorque said:
I've not seen Duel and I am fumin about it. Who do I complain to.
Yours, Daily Mail Reader.
I am now at the "Sometimes life is crap" stage and have moved on to 2022 by watching the car launches, and taking an interest in testing, something I have never done before.
I'm intriguesd by the differences in the new cars, by the spec changes and the way they are reported to handle. I think that the start of the season could be pretty crashtastic.
I wonder how the new cars will react to last minute lunges over the inside kerbs, upsetting the ride height and losing a lot of downforce just when you need to be turning the car.
Ok maybe I haven't quite moved on.
I watched Duel and thought it was just another example of SKY’s poor production values. Trying very hard to look like Drive to Survive rather than just their usual end of season review.Yours, Daily Mail Reader.
I am now at the "Sometimes life is crap" stage and have moved on to 2022 by watching the car launches, and taking an interest in testing, something I have never done before.
I'm intriguesd by the differences in the new cars, by the spec changes and the way they are reported to handle. I think that the start of the season could be pretty crashtastic.
I wonder how the new cars will react to last minute lunges over the inside kerbs, upsetting the ride height and losing a lot of downforce just when you need to be turning the car.
Ok maybe I haven't quite moved on.
Lewis has deliberately been tight-lipped during the closed season, but still SKY can produce a program like this without him taking part. Instead just a series of seemingly scripted sound bites from their regular bumbling team.
I do agree with the comments above, it is time to move on and look forwards rather than backwards. Max is a worthy World Champion the summary of his season’s achievements at the end confirmed that.
If the Abu Dhabi incident had happened before Silverstone, then hardly anyone would still be commenting on it and the FIA would have probably reacted more quickly to ensure that such a gross error could never happen again.
Priceless! Thank you.Watched last night, pretty poor all things told. Horner turning up the bullying retoric turned something lightweight and a bit “meh” into just another example of what I hated about 2021 F1.
I’ve ignored all the season reviews and waffle about Abu Dhabi (for good reason) and I should have stuck to my guns.
A little bit of my love for the sport died last year, first time since getting back into the sport in 2007 after stopping following Senna’s death.
I’ll be back into it again this year I’m sure but it would be very easy to just f
k the whole thing off.
I’ve ignored all the season reviews and waffle about Abu Dhabi (for good reason) and I should have stuck to my guns.
A little bit of my love for the sport died last year, first time since getting back into the sport in 2007 after stopping following Senna’s death.
I’ll be back into it again this year I’m sure but it would be very easy to just f
k the whole thing off. StevieBee said:
wevster said:
Disappointed with Brundles contribution, he didn't say a word about the controversial ending of the season.
I have lost all respect for him.
Don't be too harsh. I have lost all respect for him.
You don't have to peer too much between the lines of what he (and others in a similar position) say and write to know where they stand but access to the sport to the depth that enables journalistic analysis is controlled by the FIA. It's not right, but has long been a thing. Don't expect much in the way if in-depth review of the matter when the season starts from any commentator or channel other than from those who are no longer dependant upon it for their income.
I also seem to remember Brundle being the only F1 driver that went on record as saying Senna crashed (at Imola) because he made a mistake around a flat-out corner. Prost, Berger, Albereto, Martini...plus Ron Dennis could see things for what they were and said as such in a documentary.
Bearing in mind Patrese, Piquet, Berger and Albereto had all had sizeable shunts there resulting in injuries, all caused by mechanical failure. But Brundle said driver error. F1 cars just don't spear off the track with no attempt to turn the wheel...
Also lost a huge amount of respect for Nigel Roebuck, who I think in the same documentary shared the same opinion with Brundle.
Both intelligent and respected F1 'insiders' but as stated above they seemingly didn't want to bite the hand that feeds...
Would have been wiser to say nothing and remain off the radar.
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