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I thought this was interesting.
Some teams are said to be overweight by a double digits figure (kilos). Red Bull apparently lobbying for an increase in the minimum weight. Only Alfa Romeo running at or close to the current minimum weight, with McLaren only a tiny bit over (Says Marko…).
Interesting that it should be Alfa Romeo Sauber who are lightest. Wouldn’t have predicted that.
Also somewhat surprised that Red Bull are heavy. They will have weight engineered the car and will presumably have known they were coming in over for many months. Perhaps their heavier solution pays dividends in other areas.
If you ask me, I don’t want minimum weights increasing- and this being F1 I am sure that within a season or three all teams will have got down to the minimum weight.
The drivers are protected by the driver weight equivalence rules of a few years ago. Yuki Tsunoda’s seat assembly must be heavier than he is…
Some teams are said to be overweight by a double digits figure (kilos). Red Bull apparently lobbying for an increase in the minimum weight. Only Alfa Romeo running at or close to the current minimum weight, with McLaren only a tiny bit over (Says Marko…).
Interesting that it should be Alfa Romeo Sauber who are lightest. Wouldn’t have predicted that.
Also somewhat surprised that Red Bull are heavy. They will have weight engineered the car and will presumably have known they were coming in over for many months. Perhaps their heavier solution pays dividends in other areas.
If you ask me, I don’t want minimum weights increasing- and this being F1 I am sure that within a season or three all teams will have got down to the minimum weight.
The drivers are protected by the driver weight equivalence rules of a few years ago. Yuki Tsunoda’s seat assembly must be heavier than he is…
Changing the technical regs at this point in that way would be completely ludicrous; it would effectively penalise the team(s) who have put the resource in to meet the regulations as they are currently defined. The minimum weight is just that, a minimum. If some teams haven't got their cars down to that they are free to run their cars heavier.
Of course there is plenty of recent precedence to demonstrate that just become something is ludicrous and unfair, doesn't mean the FIA wont do it...
Of course there is plenty of recent precedence to demonstrate that just become something is ludicrous and unfair, doesn't mean the FIA wont do it...
kambites said:
Changing the technical regs at this point in that way would be completely ludicrous; it would effectively penalise the team(s) who have put the resource in to meet the regulations as they are currently defined. The minimum weight is just that, a minimum. If some teams haven't got their cars down to that they are free to run their cars heavier.
Red Bull don't mind ludicrous. They won a championship that way just last year..https://racingnews365.com/marko-admits-red-bull-st...
They should not increase the weight, if Red Bull are struggling so be it.
They should not increase the weight, if Red Bull are struggling so be it.
TheDeuce said:
kambites said:
Changing the technical regs at this point in that way would be completely ludicrous; it would effectively penalise the team(s) who have put the resource in to meet the regulations as they are currently defined. The minimum weight is just that, a minimum. If some teams haven't got their cars down to that they are free to run their cars heavier.
Red Bull don't mind ludicrous. They won a championship that way just last year..
They should drop the minimum weight by 10kg per year, for as long as the technical regulations stay basically the same. They need to encourage lightweighting much more than they do now, safety considerations not withstanding. I’d drop a couple of kilos from the fuel allowance every year too.
Today’s cars are damn nearly 900kg as they line up on the grid full of fuel.
The one good thing they did, was to introduce the 80kg minimum driver weight. F1 should be an engineering challenge, not a humans starving themselves challenge. Unlucky for eight-stone Tsunoda though, who now races with a 25kg seat!
Today’s cars are damn nearly 900kg as they line up on the grid full of fuel.
The one good thing they did, was to introduce the 80kg minimum driver weight. F1 should be an engineering challenge, not a humans starving themselves challenge. Unlucky for eight-stone Tsunoda though, who now races with a 25kg seat!
dunc_sx said:
Sandpit Steve said:
Unlucky for eight-stone Tsunoda though, who now races with a 25kg seat!
Still an advantage with the weight further down though, or is there more to it than that?Dunc.
kambites said:
Changing the technical regs at this point in that way would be completely ludicrous; it would effectively penalise the team(s) who have put the resource in to meet the regulations as they are currently defined. The minimum weight is just that, a minimum. If some teams haven't got their cars down to that they are free to run their cars heavier.
Of course there is plenty of recent precedence to demonstrate that just become something is ludicrous and unfair, doesn't mean the FIA wont do it...
Quite. There is no rule preventing teams running 1000kg cars if they want, or need, to. It's not like there is any safety issue (e.g. a maximum weight which prevented teams having crash structures) or a health issue (e.g. the driver minimum weight ensures that drivers don't have to starve themselves).Of course there is plenty of recent precedence to demonstrate that just become something is ludicrous and unfair, doesn't mean the FIA wont do it...
No reason at all to change the rules. Anyone overweight can go on a diet.
mat205125 said:
dunc_sx said:
Sandpit Steve said:
Unlucky for eight-stone Tsunoda though, who now races with a 25kg seat!
Still an advantage with the weight further down though, or is there more to it than that?Dunc.
The driver and his seat have to be 80kg, so a lightweight driver has a heavy seat.
The rest of the car though, if you can build it underweight, you can put the ballast pretty much wherever you like.
it looks like many of this year’s cars are considerably overweight, which of course carries its own performance penalty.
Most cars are the maximum 3.6m wheelbase limit, the Alfa's wheelbase is around 10cm shorter. https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/105295/alfa-romeo-a...
dunc_sx said:
Sandpit Steve said:
Unlucky for eight-stone Tsunoda though, who now races with a 25kg seat!
Still an advantage with the weight further down though, or is there more to it than that?Dunc.
HustleRussell said:
dunc_sx said:
Sandpit Steve said:
Unlucky for eight-stone Tsunoda though, who now races with a 25kg seat!
Still an advantage with the weight further down though, or is there more to it than that?Dunc.
angrymoby said:
TheDeuce said:
What we don't know is how much additional stiffening the new floors might prove to need
probably not much, bendy floors will be the new bendy wings ...& far more difficult to policeWe'll probably see even more 'rippled and wavy' floor edges appear then as they attempt to make the edges more rigid to prevent the floor flexing under load. The loads are quite significant at 200mph..
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