F1 2022 coming bumpy ride
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The forgiving balloon tyres are no more. So F1 is heading toward tremedously hard riding cars. I think Richiardo
said he got a headache from the bumps in one race and that was before this change.
The F1 car designers are sadists so are not about to design complient suspension.
I reckon this is one of the reasons Kimi called it a day as he had already injured his back in previous seasons.
This may be one of the reasons some of the older drivers call it a day in the next few years.
I guess they are all individuals so it could affect anyone or be something they can cope with.
Maybe once again F1 makes changes that have consequences they haven't forseen.
So the usual then.
said he got a headache from the bumps in one race and that was before this change.
The F1 car designers are sadists so are not about to design complient suspension.
I reckon this is one of the reasons Kimi called it a day as he had already injured his back in previous seasons.
This may be one of the reasons some of the older drivers call it a day in the next few years.
I guess they are all individuals so it could affect anyone or be something they can cope with.
Maybe once again F1 makes changes that have consequences they haven't forseen.
So the usual then.
What wouldn't they make the springs and dampers softer to compensate for the stiffer sidewall?
I know a tyre offers a better ride in general, but given the teams run the lowest tyre pressure possible, they'd run the suspension stiffer to compensate - so I'd think they'd be able to dial most of it out.
I know a tyre offers a better ride in general, but given the teams run the lowest tyre pressure possible, they'd run the suspension stiffer to compensate - so I'd think they'd be able to dial most of it out.
They used to have those sliding skirts on the old F1 ground effect cars so they were like almost no suspension to keep the seal.
I dont think the new cars are that bad though as there must be a minimum floor gap or something.
That Chain bear bloke slung out a youtube video last night that explains everything better. He does make most C4 and SKY efforts look amateur.
I dont think the new cars are that bad though as there must be a minimum floor gap or something.
That Chain bear bloke slung out a youtube video last night that explains everything better. He does make most C4 and SKY efforts look amateur.
RemarkLima said:
What wouldn't they make the springs and dampers softer to compensate for the stiffer sidewall?
I know a tyre offers a better ride in general, but given the teams run the lowest tyre pressure possible, they'd run the suspension stiffer to compensate - so I'd think they'd be able to dial most of it out.
Yep. The old tyres provided the required absorption needed. the new ones won't but that absorption is still needed as the cars will be underivable so the focus will now move to managing this using onboard systems.I know a tyre offers a better ride in general, but given the teams run the lowest tyre pressure possible, they'd run the suspension stiffer to compensate - so I'd think they'd be able to dial most of it out.
Q? If a 2022 car derives significant amount of down-force from the underbelly of the car, what will happen if the car becomes instantly unsettled in a corner, either due to being knocked by another car, or maybe getting forced onto a bumpy kerb and then being propelled upwards, will the event be similar to a car losing a front or rear wing, with an instant loss of steering? Or will it be less dramatic?
kalexan273 said:
Q? If a 2022 car derives significant amount of down-force from the underbelly of the car, what will happen if the car becomes instantly unsettled in a corner, either due to being knocked by another car, or maybe getting forced onto a bumpy kerb and then being propelled upwards, will the event be similar to a car losing a front or rear wing, with an instant loss of steering? Or will it be less dramatic?
A good question, which I’m sure we shall find out soon enough. In theory, a car that moves violently in the vertical plane will experience a loss of downforce from the underside. How much that actually affects the car, will depend on the airflow disruption, and the ability of the suspension to cope. The suspension still has to be mechanical, no electrickery is allowed.
I suspect we will see a lot of kerb running towards the end of the day at testing, as they try and understand the practical limits of the new designs.
Sandpit Steve said:
kalexan273 said:
Q? If a 2022 car derives significant amount of down-force from the underbelly of the car, what will happen if the car becomes instantly unsettled in a corner, either due to being knocked by another car, or maybe getting forced onto a bumpy kerb and then being propelled upwards, will the event be similar to a car losing a front or rear wing, with an instant loss of steering? Or will it be less dramatic?
A good question, which I’m sure we shall find out soon enough. In theory, a car that moves violently in the vertical plane will experience a loss of downforce from the underside. How much that actually affects the car, will depend on the airflow disruption, and the ability of the suspension to cope. The suspension still has to be mechanical, no electrickery is allowed.
I suspect we will see a lot of kerb running towards the end of the day at testing, as they try and understand the practical limits of the new designs.
Back in the heyday of ground effect, the cars exploited so much GE downforce that when the seal was broken, the cars had virtually no downforce left and simply let go of the corner altogether.
With these new but limited levels of GE, I would guess the calculation is that a car losing all GE downforce would still retain enough aero downforce to generally maintain control and recover - even if it will surely run wide and lose out competitively.
Maybe the combined limited tyre wall movement and reliance on GE will simply lead to drivers avoiding the kerbs more often. Like everything else, once they know the risks they'll adapt their approach to suit.
TheDeuce said:
Sandpit Steve said:
kalexan273 said:
Q? If a 2022 car derives significant amount of down-force from the underbelly of the car, what will happen if the car becomes instantly unsettled in a corner, either due to being knocked by another car, or maybe getting forced onto a bumpy kerb and then being propelled upwards, will the event be similar to a car losing a front or rear wing, with an instant loss of steering? Or will it be less dramatic?
A good question, which I’m sure we shall find out soon enough. In theory, a car that moves violently in the vertical plane will experience a loss of downforce from the underside. How much that actually affects the car, will depend on the airflow disruption, and the ability of the suspension to cope. The suspension still has to be mechanical, no electrickery is allowed.
I suspect we will see a lot of kerb running towards the end of the day at testing, as they try and understand the practical limits of the new designs.
Back in the heyday of ground effect, the cars exploited so much GE downforce that when the seal was broken, the cars had virtually no downforce left and simply let go of the corner altogether.
With these new but limited levels of GE, I would guess the calculation is that a car losing all GE downforce would still retain enough aero downforce to generally maintain control and recover - even if it will surely run wide and lose out competitively.
Maybe the combined limited tyre wall movement and reliance on GE will simply lead to drivers avoiding the kerbs more often. Like everything else, once they know the risks they'll adapt their approach to suit.
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