Judo/BJJ/MMA - how prevalent is 'on the juice' now?

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anonymous said:

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"Heard".

anonymous said:

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You sound like you've heard from deciding certain athletes definitely have?

You think being on steroids is why athletes will be carrying long-term injuries after a career of training camps, competitions, weight-cutting and serious injuries such as ACL injuries?

anonymous said:

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Juicing has been rife in MMA. Just look at how much everyone has shrunk in the UFC since USADA testing protocols were introduced.

For certain countries and their champions, success in judo can be quite lucrative. Look at the likes of Ono and Riner for example, with multiple world and Olympic goals comes cash. For the rest, some pretty decent salaries on offer for coach roles in the right places or those that open their own clubs. In BJJ, decent practitioners can command decent money hosting seminars or 1-2-1 sessions all around the world and the prize money at high-level competitions is good too.

anonymous said:

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Personally, never. Of course, it happens. In every sport and at the recreational as well as elite level. I'm assuming you're referring mostly to judo since you have made previous threads about your performance in judo.

I wonder if rather than "juicing" if things like IV drips and diuretics are more prevalent for weight-controlled sports like Judo/BJJ/MMA? Some alterations to tackle this have been made by WADA and UKAD in the last few years.

UKAD website: said:

Changes to intravenous (IV) infusion rules

The allowed volume and timing of intravenous infusions will increase from infusions of no more than 50 millilitres (mL) per 6-hour period in 2017 to no more than a total of 100 mL per 12-hour period in 2018.

More specifically, IV infusions and/or injections of any substance in excess of 100 mL per 12-hour period will be prohibited at all times in 2018, except for those legitimately received in the course of hospital treatment, surgical procedures, or clinical diagnostic investigations. If a prohibited substance is administered intravenously or via injection, a TUE will continue to be necessary for this substance regardless of whether the infusion or injection is less than 100 mL.

[Pete102]

Its big in BJJ and has been for years. Testing is non-existent at country level competitions and almost non-existent at world levels. For such a cardio intensive, high-calorie burn MA there are some absolute monsters....look towards the upcoming Galvao - Ryan supermatch for examples.

Even at club level it goes on, a lad I know / train with occasionally is openly on them, thankfully at his current level / skill it doesn't make much difference!

[nunpuncher]

I've only ever trained (BJJ) with 2 people that openly admitted to juicing. I've trained with loads of others that regularly get accused of it and neither deny nor admit it.

I understand why people competing in a sport with testing would deny it and try to hide it but I don't really understand trying to hide the fact if you're not competing under a governing body where it's banned. For example, Gordon Ryan accusing every other heavyweight of being on juice yet denying he touches it.

If I know where to get it and how to take it without potentially fking myself up I'd 100% be on it and not hiding it.

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anonymous said:

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Steroids fighters use don't give you talent. And they don't dramatically increase bw either, training and eating does that. But AAS will help you recover quicker so you can train more often... .