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Pretty car this so got me thinking ....
As prices aren't stated on the website, what do these cost as an average ?
Obviously its not Singer/Ruf Money and there are varying specs but i wonder if buying one of these 2nd hand would be the cheaper alternative than commissioning the build ......
https://www.paul-stephens.com/classic-touring-seri...
As prices aren't stated on the website, what do these cost as an average ?
Obviously its not Singer/Ruf Money and there are varying specs but i wonder if buying one of these 2nd hand would be the cheaper alternative than commissioning the build ......
https://www.paul-stephens.com/classic-touring-seri...
I know someone that owned one of their backdated cars….sold it back to them very quickly. Realised he made a mistake and whilst they may look like the older cars they aren’t as well put together as an original car and don’t drive like them. But not everyone wants a car to drive like an original one !
As for pricing I know the Le Mans Classic which was their top end car was about £250k. I actually stumbled across the press launch for it in London a few years ago. Car was parked outside….everyone was inside so I had a quick nose around Had no idea what it was. When the media coverage came out a week or so later I was staggered they were asking £250k for it….fit and finish was nothing like that price point.
As for pricing I know the Le Mans Classic which was their top end car was about £250k. I actually stumbled across the press launch for it in London a few years ago. Car was parked outside….everyone was inside so I had a quick nose around Had no idea what it was. When the media coverage came out a week or so later I was staggered they were asking £250k for it….fit and finish was nothing like that price point.
Cheib said:
I know someone that owned one of their backdated cars….sold it back to them very quickly. Realised he made a mistake and whilst they may look like the older cars they aren’t as well put together as an original car and don’t drive like them. But not everyone wants a car to drive like an original one !
As for pricing I know the Le Mans Classic which was their top end car was about £250k. I actually stumbled across the press launch for it in London a few years ago. Car was parked outside….everyone was inside so I had a quick nose around Had no idea what it was. When the media coverage came out a week or so later I was staggered they were asking £250k for it….fit and finish was nothing like that price point.
Ok many tks,As for pricing I know the Le Mans Classic which was their top end car was about £250k. I actually stumbled across the press launch for it in London a few years ago. Car was parked outside….everyone was inside so I had a quick nose around Had no idea what it was. When the media coverage came out a week or so later I was staggered they were asking £250k for it….fit and finish was nothing like that price point.
Maybe best to look at used examples and ones that have been built by individuals.
GT3Manthey said:
Cheib said:
I know someone that owned one of their backdated cars….sold it back to them very quickly. Realised he made a mistake and whilst they may look like the older cars they aren’t as well put together as an original car and don’t drive like them. But not everyone wants a car to drive like an original one !
As for pricing I know the Le Mans Classic which was their top end car was about £250k. I actually stumbled across the press launch for it in London a few years ago. Car was parked outside….everyone was inside so I had a quick nose around Had no idea what it was. When the media coverage came out a week or so later I was staggered they were asking £250k for it….fit and finish was nothing like that price point.
Ok many tks,As for pricing I know the Le Mans Classic which was their top end car was about £250k. I actually stumbled across the press launch for it in London a few years ago. Car was parked outside….everyone was inside so I had a quick nose around Had no idea what it was. When the media coverage came out a week or so later I was staggered they were asking £250k for it….fit and finish was nothing like that price point.
Maybe best to look at used examples and ones that have been built by individuals.
Cheib said:
I think restomods are very difficult cars to buy from dealers/auctions. You really need to understand the car, which specialists were used etc….personally think you can only really get that if you’re dealing with the owner. Personally I’d go down the hot rod route…so a standard car that has maybe an updated drivetrain and chassis. I’d rather buy a car where the money has been spent on making it better to drive rather than to look at with bigger wings/wheels etc…which all add weight unless you are spending huge money.
Partly agree . Would want a car that felt tight and had a lively engine but with the aesthetics of the older earlier cars .
I know Chris Harris ‘ Kermit’ sold around 18 months ago on CC’s for 97k .
Great looking car & with the right running gear plus 300 HP .
Only issue for me would be LHD
The costs escalate very quickly. You'd be amazed at what suppliers and builders charge. Atm they have a monopoly, I won't mention names but I'm sure you can guess.
Simple things like dash plates, a standard length of Ali with holes in it. You would think it would be cheap, but there's only 2 options for purchase and they know that.
Mine was twice my original budget. I always advise to buy one that's already built, it's cheaper. But you're buying someone else's project. The base car, a good one, has also risen. A jenvey carb conversion for example is 10k, wheels, Braid, not even originals are £4k. And that's before you consider interior, paint, suspension etc.
It's an expensive journey and prices are increasing.
Simple things like dash plates, a standard length of Ali with holes in it. You would think it would be cheap, but there's only 2 options for purchase and they know that.
Mine was twice my original budget. I always advise to buy one that's already built, it's cheaper. But you're buying someone else's project. The base car, a good one, has also risen. A jenvey carb conversion for example is 10k, wheels, Braid, not even originals are £4k. And that's before you consider interior, paint, suspension etc.
It's an expensive journey and prices are increasing.
GT3Manthey said:
Cheib said:
I think restomods are very difficult cars to buy from dealers/auctions. You really need to understand the car, which specialists were used etc….personally think you can only really get that if you’re dealing with the owner. Personally I’d go down the hot rod route…so a standard car that has maybe an updated drivetrain and chassis. I’d rather buy a car where the money has been spent on making it better to drive rather than to look at with bigger wings/wheels etc…which all add weight unless you are spending huge money.
Partly agree . Would want a car that felt tight and had a lively engine but with the aesthetics of the older earlier cars .
I know Chris Harris ‘ Kermit’ sold around 18 months ago on CC’s for 97k .
Great looking car & with the right running gear plus 300 HP .
Only issue for me would be LHD
Personally I think an original car with a hot engine is the way to go. You could buy a T or an E for something around £100k and get someone like Prill Porsche to build you a very lively engine....2.2 twin plug etc. You don't need to go to Tuthill and pay daft prices for a 200 bhp 2.0 race spec engine.
I think you'd be surprised about how mice to drive one of those cars is with that kind of power.
The only thing is the good people are very busy.
GT3Manthey said:
Partly agree .
Would want a car that felt tight and had a lively engine but with the aesthetics of the older earlier cars .
I know Chris Harris ‘ Kermit’ sold around 18 months ago on CC’s for 97k .
Great looking car & with the right running gear plus 300 HP .
Only issue for me would be LHD
I have a 70s car, sorted suspension (slightly lowered), totally rebuilt engine and short shift gearbox.Would want a car that felt tight and had a lively engine but with the aesthetics of the older earlier cars .
I know Chris Harris ‘ Kermit’ sold around 18 months ago on CC’s for 97k .
Great looking car & with the right running gear plus 300 HP .
Only issue for me would be LHD
Drives like a dream - really tight, with super revy engine
But little or nothing done cosmetically (other than a few reversible mods)
Perhaps as little as 180bhp (2.7 with RS bits and pieces)
All the money was put into the oily bit, the interior refurbished, but largely standard I.e. no unicorn Recaro seats etc.
As much as the long bonnet cars look great, the 70s impact bumpers are starting to come of age as well.
I am torn whether to tidy up the paint - problem it soon turns into a slippery slope, and one of the joys is its still a relatively inexperience car (compared to the commercially available restro mods) so I’m more than happy to use it as it was intended.
Looking back now the Chris Harris car looks great value, saying that values have strengthened over the last couple of years.
I was always taken by this backdate
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202005149...
its been for sale for over two years now, but always keep coming back to the advert. Its nice huh?
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202005149...
its been for sale for over two years now, but always keep coming back to the advert. Its nice huh?
I know a very nice backdate 911, was saving it for myself, but the hassle to get it and the many more cars I have on my list, I will share it.
I thinks its lovely, looks almost standard, small body, but with GT3 like power, they built a 4.0 L car (engine 40k I thought) and all new the rest.
it has 387hp at the rear wheels! I do not think its expensive, it looks very cool and ow, a wolf in sheep cloth.
sadly they did not close the rear lid in this picture
oooh
https://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/details.html?ac...
I thinks its lovely, looks almost standard, small body, but with GT3 like power, they built a 4.0 L car (engine 40k I thought) and all new the rest.
it has 387hp at the rear wheels! I do not think its expensive, it looks very cool and ow, a wolf in sheep cloth.
ad said:
Porsche 911 SC 4.0 1979 387 HP Selling info about this wonder .... Porsche 911 SC 1979 "GT3" spec Engine 4.0 L cylinder and piston kit EFI throttle bodies RSR crackles Electronic ignition with emu ecu twin kick heads Stroker crankshaft New SSI sports exhaust stainless Large fuel pump Carolli care bars Titanium valves 40000 euro has been spent on building an engine, everything is new and everything is the most delicious And has driven about 4000 km since it was built Rolled to 387 horses on wheels Gearbox: G50 RSR CNC milled side housing and extra external oil cooler with own circulation pump wevo short shift Under carriage: Carbon spring rods Bilstien Club sports undercarriage The whole car is fully welded and stiffened Pure sport anti-roll bar front and rear RSR support arms rear Brakes 964 4s front and 3.2 rear Wheels new original Fuch rims Vin number: 9119302313 Odometer shows: 104973 km Last veteransynet in DK: 06.09.2016 Last registration number in DK: CM21155
sadly they did not close the rear lid in this picture
oooh
https://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/details.html?ac...
GTRene said:
sadly they did not close the rear lid in this picture
oooh
https://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/details.html?ac...
Cheib said:
GT3Manthey said:
Cheib said:
I think restomods are very difficult cars to buy from dealers/auctions. You really need to understand the car, which specialists were used etc….personally think you can only really get that if you’re dealing with the owner. Personally I’d go down the hot rod route…so a standard car that has maybe an updated drivetrain and chassis. I’d rather buy a car where the money has been spent on making it better to drive rather than to look at with bigger wings/wheels etc…which all add weight unless you are spending huge money.
Partly agree . Would want a car that felt tight and had a lively engine but with the aesthetics of the older earlier cars .
I know Chris Harris ‘ Kermit’ sold around 18 months ago on CC’s for 97k .
Great looking car & with the right running gear plus 300 HP .
Only issue for me would be LHD
Personally I think an original car with a hot engine is the way to go. You could buy a T or an E for something around £100k and get someone like Prill Porsche to build you a very lively engine....2.2 twin plug etc. You don't need to go to Tuthill and pay daft prices for a 200 bhp 2.0 race spec engine.
I think you'd be surprised about how mice to drive one of those cars is with that kind of power.
The only thing is the good people are very busy.
Something like this would have been a good base to work from
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1983-porsche-9...
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1983-porsche-9...
Wilmslowboy said:
I have a 70s car, sorted suspension (slightly lowered), totally rebuilt engine and short shift gearbox.
Drives like a dream - really tight, with super revy engine
But little or nothing done cosmetically (other than a few reversible mods)
Perhaps as little as 180bhp (2.7 with RS bits and pieces)
All the money was put into the oily bit, the interior refurbished, but largely standard I.e. no unicorn Recaro seats etc.
As much as the long bonnet cars look great, the 70s impact bumpers are starting to come of age as well.
I am torn whether to tidy up the paint - problem it soon turns into a slippery slope, and one of the joys is its still a relatively inexperience car (compared to the commercially available restro mods) so I’m more than happy to use it as it was intended.
Looking back now the Chris Harris car looks great value, saying that values have strengthened over the last couple of years.
Nice car. Drives like a dream - really tight, with super revy engine
But little or nothing done cosmetically (other than a few reversible mods)
Perhaps as little as 180bhp (2.7 with RS bits and pieces)
All the money was put into the oily bit, the interior refurbished, but largely standard I.e. no unicorn Recaro seats etc.
As much as the long bonnet cars look great, the 70s impact bumpers are starting to come of age as well.
I am torn whether to tidy up the paint - problem it soon turns into a slippery slope, and one of the joys is its still a relatively inexperience car (compared to the commercially available restro mods) so I’m more than happy to use it as it was intended.
Looking back now the Chris Harris car looks great value, saying that values have strengthened over the last couple of years.
What so you anticipate a full repaint would cost ?
GT3Manthey said:
Nice car.
What so you anticipate a full repaint would cost ?
I have been told a tidy up (just the chips, bumpers etc) just over £2k and full glass out colour change up to £10k, I know I'd want the latter, it I started down that route. What so you anticipate a full repaint would cost ?
I wonder if this colour would work on a narrow-bodied car, might work well with the interior.
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