992.2 Facelift
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Hi guys
Just seeing a lot of topics with people placing orders on 992s that will depending on model land Q3/4 2022.
Just wanted to know when is the targeted facelift for the 992? Many are saying cars built in the latter half 2022 will be the facelift models.
Think I've seen the Turbo and GT3 having spy shots regarding the facelift.
I'm sure the dealer told me it is mainly interior changes for the range. (not including turbo/GT)
Thanks
Just seeing a lot of topics with people placing orders on 992s that will depending on model land Q3/4 2022.
Just wanted to know when is the targeted facelift for the 992? Many are saying cars built in the latter half 2022 will be the facelift models.
Think I've seen the Turbo and GT3 having spy shots regarding the facelift.
I'm sure the dealer told me it is mainly interior changes for the range. (not including turbo/GT)
Thanks
My concern would be that they force hybrid into all the cars. Dealer suggesting "oh that's good for fuel efficiency".
Me thinking about the extra weight and extra complexity. And thinking the fuel efficiency thing is only really true for pottering around town (a job for which I have another car); for longer journeys you are relying on the ICE and lugging around a flat battery, electric motors and heavy, thick copper cabling.
Me thinking about the extra weight and extra complexity. And thinking the fuel efficiency thing is only really true for pottering around town (a job for which I have another car); for longer journeys you are relying on the ICE and lugging around a flat battery, electric motors and heavy, thick copper cabling.
I thought the PDK for the 992 had already been designed with mild hybrid in mind for the gen 2 (to be able to fit a motor). The gearbox was therefore heavier than the 991. At least the upside would be that much the extra weight is actually there in the 992, it’s just that it’s not doing anything useful currently.
I'd read that the 992.1 PDK was hybrid future proof too. But the extra weight of this 992 generation PDK is just one element in the extra weight calculation.
Consider, for example, the following comparison.
Panamera 4, PDK. DIN weight 1,900kg
Panamera 4 Hybrid. DIN weight 2,210kg
Same gearbox. Hybrid has all the copper in the a) electric motors, b) high current cabling, c) charging circuitry and then d) all the weight of the batteries. Like for like delta of 310kg!
The 992 might get away with a smaller battery pack that the Panamera, but the Panamera 4 Hybrid itself is only a mild hybrid so the potential to cut the battery pack size further is pretty limited. And the further you cut the battery the less point there is having all that gubbins in the first place.
c.300kg extra weight to a 992 Carrera S PDK (DIN weight 1,515kg) would be... well, a very different car.
(And yes... I am a blast at parties!)
Consider, for example, the following comparison.
Panamera 4, PDK. DIN weight 1,900kg
Panamera 4 Hybrid. DIN weight 2,210kg
Same gearbox. Hybrid has all the copper in the a) electric motors, b) high current cabling, c) charging circuitry and then d) all the weight of the batteries. Like for like delta of 310kg!
The 992 might get away with a smaller battery pack that the Panamera, but the Panamera 4 Hybrid itself is only a mild hybrid so the potential to cut the battery pack size further is pretty limited. And the further you cut the battery the less point there is having all that gubbins in the first place.
c.300kg extra weight to a 992 Carrera S PDK (DIN weight 1,515kg) would be... well, a very different car.
(And yes... I am a blast at parties!)
Porsche CEO is on record as saying the first hybrid 911 with a a top end version of 992.2 and will be “the most powerful 911 ever”. That was a couple fo years ago so things may have changed but reckon a halo model with hybrid being introduced as a “performer boost” would make sense as a strategy. Bit like the Panamera where the most powerful version is a hybrid.
XMA Simon said:
I'd read that the 992.1 PDK was hybrid future proof too. But the extra weight of this 992 generation PDK is just one element in the extra weight calculation.
Consider, for example, the following comparison.
Panamera 4, PDK. DIN weight 1,900kg
Panamera 4 Hybrid. DIN weight 2,210kg
Same gearbox. Hybrid has all the copper in the a) electric motors, b) high current cabling, c) charging circuitry and then d) all the weight of the batteries. Like for like delta of 310kg!
The 992 might get away with a smaller battery pack that the Panamera, but the Panamera 4 Hybrid itself is only a mild hybrid so the potential to cut the battery pack size further is pretty limited. And the further you cut the battery the less point there is having all that gubbins in the first place.
c.300kg extra weight to a 992 Carrera S PDK (DIN weight 1,515kg) would be... well, a very different car.
(And yes... I am a blast at parties!)
Panamera 4 Hybrid. DIN weight 2,210kg - This is a plug in hybrid, not a mild hybrid. I assumed the 992.2 Would be mild not plug in so it can't run on pure EV alone? It would only electricity from braking and regen. Consider, for example, the following comparison.
Panamera 4, PDK. DIN weight 1,900kg
Panamera 4 Hybrid. DIN weight 2,210kg
Same gearbox. Hybrid has all the copper in the a) electric motors, b) high current cabling, c) charging circuitry and then d) all the weight of the batteries. Like for like delta of 310kg!
The 992 might get away with a smaller battery pack that the Panamera, but the Panamera 4 Hybrid itself is only a mild hybrid so the potential to cut the battery pack size further is pretty limited. And the further you cut the battery the less point there is having all that gubbins in the first place.
c.300kg extra weight to a 992 Carrera S PDK (DIN weight 1,515kg) would be... well, a very different car.
(And yes... I am a blast at parties!)
Therefore the weight difference would be much less than the 310kg
I would have thought that the weight difference would be 50-75kg max for the none plug in battery in the pdk box initial mild hybrid before the 994 brings the plug in hybrid.
As for 992.2, we will get the MY23 specs in 2-3 months and if that does not bring the .2 I suspect the year after will but I've no idea really!
As for 992.2, we will get the MY23 specs in 2-3 months and if that does not bring the .2 I suspect the year after will but I've no idea really!
I hope they add the 4.0 NA to the T or GTS .Ideally the GTS
i have a 991.1 4s, I have put down a deposit for a 992GTS but I have been really thorn about moving away from the current engine of my 991.1
there is something just special about driving it from 5,000 rpm upwards. and the noise and the lack of any lag
i have a 991.1 4s, I have put down a deposit for a 992GTS but I have been really thorn about moving away from the current engine of my 991.1
there is something just special about driving it from 5,000 rpm upwards. and the noise and the lack of any lag
Bolognese2 said:
I hope they add the 4.0 NA to the T or GTS .Ideally the GTS
i have a 991.1 4s, I have put down a deposit for a 992GTS but I have been really thorn about moving away from the current engine of my 991.1
there is something just special about driving it from 5,000 rpm upwards. and the noise and the lack of any lag
I have the same car as you bought as v low milage S/H car as I don’t see any attraction in the power trains of the later cars over what I have. Yes I’ve tried them. I suspect It will be my last 911.i have a 991.1 4s, I have put down a deposit for a 992GTS but I have been really thorn about moving away from the current engine of my 991.1
there is something just special about driving it from 5,000 rpm upwards. and the noise and the lack of any lag
Edit….unless I add something older.
Edited by David W. on Friday 4th February 06:39
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