F1 RIP 12.12.21
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F1 as I have known and loved finally ended yesterday. We.now enter the new era of Liberty driven races staged managed for the glory of the big screen staring Michael Masi as the inconsistent race Director who can decide on the result
If I were a manufacturer such as Mercedes, McLaren or Ferrari I would seriously consider giving notice to pull out
Can’t see how races that are rigged fit with brands that try to promote equality and fairness
If I were a manufacturer such as Mercedes, McLaren or Ferrari I would seriously consider giving notice to pull out
Can’t see how races that are rigged fit with brands that try to promote equality and fairness
I think that is rather extreme.
F1 goes through some loony phases and instances at times (remember that Indianapolis race in 2005). Yesterday was a bad day for F1 but it will continue (hopefully with Massi confined to sweeping up the pit lane or carrying on some other function on a GP weekend more commensurate with his intellectual abilities).
F1 goes through some loony phases and instances at times (remember that Indianapolis race in 2005). Yesterday was a bad day for F1 but it will continue (hopefully with Massi confined to sweeping up the pit lane or carrying on some other function on a GP weekend more commensurate with his intellectual abilities).
I don’t care who won.
But looking back on the season far too many key points of it have been decided off track. That is good for the non fan maybe by keeping the ebb and flow of Max V Lewis but it isn’t good for motorsport fans.
Yesterday I wanted Lewis to become 8 time world champion. I also wanted max to win his first and break Lewis’ domination. But the way it ended was a stage managed farce and both drivers deserve their ability to be lauded not the decisions of the race director
But looking back on the season far too many key points of it have been decided off track. That is good for the non fan maybe by keeping the ebb and flow of Max V Lewis but it isn’t good for motorsport fans.
Yesterday I wanted Lewis to become 8 time world champion. I also wanted max to win his first and break Lewis’ domination. But the way it ended was a stage managed farce and both drivers deserve their ability to be lauded not the decisions of the race director
This is what happens when Americans get involved. They want to turn all sports in to the NFL or NBA which has a rotation of winners every year (almost). They were the instigators of the football "super league" in which you cant get relegated or promoted to, which is just another type of NFL & NBA. They don't get sport from the rest of the world and want to change it to how they do it and create a "show". Total s
te.
If it continues next year as it has this year, then I'll not be watching F1 anymore.
te.If it continues next year as it has this year, then I'll not be watching F1 anymore.
Whilst the SC call was unusual, any strategy decisions by either team were not influenced by it. They made the choices and how they then faired when the decisions were made was down to how they had played their strategy.
It would have been obvious that there would be efforts to finish the race at racing speeds. Red Bull kept being punchy and as it played out, it worked best for them.
Too be honest it was refreshing not having so much extra pointless time behind the SC. If all the lapped cars had gone past it wouldn’t have made a difference.
However, there does need to be some clarification on rules and procedures. Race director needs to look after safety and procedure. Steward decisions need to be separate and feed into race director. Non of these offers and also get rid of the lobbying from the teams to the race director.
It would have been obvious that there would be efforts to finish the race at racing speeds. Red Bull kept being punchy and as it played out, it worked best for them.
Too be honest it was refreshing not having so much extra pointless time behind the SC. If all the lapped cars had gone past it wouldn’t have made a difference.
However, there does need to be some clarification on rules and procedures. Race director needs to look after safety and procedure. Steward decisions need to be separate and feed into race director. Non of these offers and also get rid of the lobbying from the teams to the race director.
Both equally deserving drivers and teams were robbed of their sporting moment yesterday. Such a shame that the decisive factor was the non partisan officials. This event will be talked about for decades.
Goliath had the fight under control until the ref gave David a stone and pointed at the ankle.
Goliath had the fight under control until the ref gave David a stone and pointed at the ankle.
HocusPocus said:
Both equally deserving drivers and teams were robbed of their sporting moment yesterday. Such a shame that the decisive factor was the non partisan officials. This event will be talked about for decades.
Goliath had the fight under control until the ref gave David a stone and pointed at the ankle.
Agreed on the first and second points but I think you may be a bit out on the anatomical target there.Goliath had the fight under control until the ref gave David a stone and pointed at the ankle.
LM240 said:
Whilst the SC call was unusual, any strategy decisions by either team were not influenced by it. They made the choices and how they then faired when the decisions were made was down to how they had played their strategy.
It would have been obvious that there would be efforts to finish the race at racing speeds. Red Bull kept being punchy and as it played out, it worked best for them.
Too be honest it was refreshing not having so much extra pointless time behind the SC. If all the lapped cars had gone past it wouldn’t have made a difference.
However, there does need to be some clarification on rules and procedures. Race director needs to look after safety and procedure. Steward decisions need to be separate and feed into race director. Non of these offers and also get rid of the lobbying from the teams to the race director.
Excellent points, although my understanding is that all of the lapped cars should have been let through and that following that occurring, the SC should have come in at the end of that lap. If Reg 48 had been applied properly the race would have ended under the SCIt would have been obvious that there would be efforts to finish the race at racing speeds. Red Bull kept being punchy and as it played out, it worked best for them.
Too be honest it was refreshing not having so much extra pointless time behind the SC. If all the lapped cars had gone past it wouldn’t have made a difference.
However, there does need to be some clarification on rules and procedures. Race director needs to look after safety and procedure. Steward decisions need to be separate and feed into race director. Non of these offers and also get rid of the lobbying from the teams to the race director.
LM240 said:
Whilst the SC call was unusual, any strategy decisions by either team were not influenced by it. They made the choices and how they then faired when the decisions were made was down to how they had played their strategy.
It would have been obvious that there would be efforts to finish the race at racing speeds. Red Bull kept being punchy and as it played out, it worked best for them.
Too be honest it was refreshing not having so much extra pointless time behind the SC. If all the lapped cars had gone past it wouldn’t have made a difference.
However, there does need to be some clarification on rules and procedures. Race director needs to look after safety and procedure. Steward decisions need to be separate and feed into race director. Non of these offers and also get rid of the lobbying from the teams to the race director.
They made their calls according to the rules. Rules that were not adhered to.It would have been obvious that there would be efforts to finish the race at racing speeds. Red Bull kept being punchy and as it played out, it worked best for them.
Too be honest it was refreshing not having so much extra pointless time behind the SC. If all the lapped cars had gone past it wouldn’t have made a difference.
However, there does need to be some clarification on rules and procedures. Race director needs to look after safety and procedure. Steward decisions need to be separate and feed into race director. Non of these offers and also get rid of the lobbying from the teams to the race director.
I feel sorry for Max. His first Championship will forever be tainted by actions not of his own making.
FNG said:
Equally if Merc had pitted LH for new tyres and Verstappen stayed out because his weren’t that old and he would then be leading, what’s the chances the safety car would have run one more lap?
That's the tin foil hat question Most relevant would be how Horner and Marco would have reacted
I'm sure they'd have been equally aggrieved and probably more quick to be interviewed and complain publicly, however possibly not pushed as far as Toto is.
Would love to be a fly on the wall within Mercedes to understand where their position sits in the balance of aggressively pushing for what they believe they've lost, and maintaining their global image for their potential markets and customers
Blib said:
LM240 said:
Whilst the SC call was unusual, any strategy decisions by either team were not influenced by it. They made the choices and how they then faired when the decisions were made was down to how they had played their strategy.
It would have been obvious that there would be efforts to finish the race at racing speeds. Red Bull kept being punchy and as it played out, it worked best for them.
Too be honest it was refreshing not having so much extra pointless time behind the SC. If all the lapped cars had gone past it wouldn’t have made a difference.
However, there does need to be some clarification on rules and procedures. Race director needs to look after safety and procedure. Steward decisions need to be separate and feed into race director. Non of these offers and also get rid of the lobbying from the teams to the race director.
They made their calls according to the rules. Rules that were not adhered to.It would have been obvious that there would be efforts to finish the race at racing speeds. Red Bull kept being punchy and as it played out, it worked best for them.
Too be honest it was refreshing not having so much extra pointless time behind the SC. If all the lapped cars had gone past it wouldn’t have made a difference.
However, there does need to be some clarification on rules and procedures. Race director needs to look after safety and procedure. Steward decisions need to be separate and feed into race director. Non of these offers and also get rid of the lobbying from the teams to the race director.
I feel sorry for Max. His first Championship will forever be tainted by actions not of his own making.
Blib said:
They made their calls according to the rules. Rules that were not adhered to.
I feel sorry for Max. His first Championship will forever be tainted by actions not of his own making.
Not a chance that Max legacy will be affected in any wayI feel sorry for Max. His first Championship will forever be tainted by actions not of his own making.
Likewise, the calls made by the teams were principally driven by giving them the maximum number of options when the duration of the safety car period, and remaining race unfolded. Yes, this was in line with an understanding of the rules, plus experience of similar situations in the past, however the forensic dissection of the minutiae of the written text was done afterwards, or once the Max on softs call had already been made.
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