Abu Dhabi GP - will the result stand…?
Poll: Abu Dhabi GP - will the result stand…?
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I cannot see a way out of the safety car procedure rules.
All cars vs some cars......I think the rules strongly imply all (relevant) cars but I can see how that might be a bit grey.
After the cars pass, the safety car comes in on the following lap. That is explicit, I don't see how you explain that one.
All cars vs some cars......I think the rules strongly imply all (relevant) cars but I can see how that might be a bit grey.
After the cars pass, the safety car comes in on the following lap. That is explicit, I don't see how you explain that one.
Been chatting with a lawyer.
The FIA are not always 100% compliant with their own rules, those of natural justice and common sense. They will also want a way out of the matter without losing too much face. Penalties and such are not likely.
There is a sensible option, as pointed out by someone earlier; take the order from the last lap that was compliant with the FIA's regs. Job done. It will be a drawn-out process, just to make it look as if they have taken it seriously, but they will probably decide the outcome tonight.
If the result stands, they lose credibility. If they change the result arbitrarily, they lose face. They will want something that limits the harm to the sport and looks reasonable, just as if the board were forced into the decision despite whatever.
The FIA are not always 100% compliant with their own rules, those of natural justice and common sense. They will also want a way out of the matter without losing too much face. Penalties and such are not likely.
There is a sensible option, as pointed out by someone earlier; take the order from the last lap that was compliant with the FIA's regs. Job done. It will be a drawn-out process, just to make it look as if they have taken it seriously, but they will probably decide the outcome tonight.
If the result stands, they lose credibility. If they change the result arbitrarily, they lose face. They will want something that limits the harm to the sport and looks reasonable, just as if the board were forced into the decision despite whatever.
I don't see how they can change anything now. It would be different if it was cheating, in which case the cheating can be dealt with retrospectively and a reasonable punishment given, which could conceivably include changing the outcome, but this would be the equivalent of a refereeing error, so how would you sensibly and fairly punish a participant? It's not Red Bull/Verstappen's fault they benefited from poor refereeing. The only remotely viable option would be to discount the whole race, so Max wins anyway.
Mercedes have started the process that is likely to take it to the FIA Court of Appeal in Paris. All the good work done by Liberty to promote the sport in the post Mosely/Ecclestone era has now been undone, and once again a result will be decided by lawyers in a Court. A bad day for the sport.
Edited by LucyP on Sunday 12th December 19:54
I just got back from the circuit, and thought I’d watch the highlights before commenting.
We thought the procedure was rushed for “the show”, but hadn’t realised that the instruction was only given to half of the lapped cars to overtake, and hadn’t realised there was an original decision was for lapped cars to not overtake. To be honest, after a couple of laps of the SC we expected a red flag, to give a “Baku Sprint” finish once they’d cleaned up the mess.
Masi is bang to rights for a breach of 48.12, and the FIA are going to have an almighty problem working out what to do about it. He was making things up as he went along, when there are a specific set of rules he needs to follow.
Just about the only possibility is to curtail the race by two laps, and declare the result on the positions behind the SC. But that overturns the drivers’ championship, for something that isn’t the fault of the champion - which is quite the mess they’ve got themselves into.
Also LOL to find out that Mercedes bought their lawyer with them. This has a CAS case written all over it.
We thought the procedure was rushed for “the show”, but hadn’t realised that the instruction was only given to half of the lapped cars to overtake, and hadn’t realised there was an original decision was for lapped cars to not overtake. To be honest, after a couple of laps of the SC we expected a red flag, to give a “Baku Sprint” finish once they’d cleaned up the mess.
Masi is bang to rights for a breach of 48.12, and the FIA are going to have an almighty problem working out what to do about it. He was making things up as he went along, when there are a specific set of rules he needs to follow.
Just about the only possibility is to curtail the race by two laps, and declare the result on the positions behind the SC. But that overturns the drivers’ championship, for something that isn’t the fault of the champion - which is quite the mess they’ve got themselves into.
Also LOL to find out that Mercedes bought their lawyer with them. This has a CAS case written all over it.
Sandpit Steve said:
I just got back from the circuit, and thought I’d watch the highlights before commenting.
We thought the procedure was rushed for “the show”, but hadn’t realised that the instruction was only given to half of the lapped cars to overtake, and hadn’t realised there was an original decision was for lapped cars to not overtake. To be honest, after a couple of laps of the SC we expected a red flag, to give a “Baku Sprint” finish once they’d cleaned up the mess.
Masi is bang to rights for a breach of 48.12, and the FIA are going to have an almighty problem working out what to do about it. He was making things up as he went along, when there are a specific set of rules he needs to follow.
Just about the only possibility is to curtail the race by two laps, and declare the result on the positions behind the SC. But that overturns the drivers’ championship, for something that isn’t the fault of the champion - which is quite the mess they’ve got themselves into.
Also LOL to find out that Mercedes bought their lawyer with them. This has a CAS case written all over it.
Such a shame for the drivers, the FIA properly ballsed up here. See you in court. Thought Lewis and max handled it pretty well given the circumstances.We thought the procedure was rushed for “the show”, but hadn’t realised that the instruction was only given to half of the lapped cars to overtake, and hadn’t realised there was an original decision was for lapped cars to not overtake. To be honest, after a couple of laps of the SC we expected a red flag, to give a “Baku Sprint” finish once they’d cleaned up the mess.
Masi is bang to rights for a breach of 48.12, and the FIA are going to have an almighty problem working out what to do about it. He was making things up as he went along, when there are a specific set of rules he needs to follow.
Just about the only possibility is to curtail the race by two laps, and declare the result on the positions behind the SC. But that overturns the drivers’ championship, for something that isn’t the fault of the champion - which is quite the mess they’ve got themselves into.
Also LOL to find out that Mercedes bought their lawyer with them. This has a CAS case written all over it.
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