Abu Dhabi GP - will the result stand…?

Abu Dhabi GP - will the result stand…?

Poll: Abu Dhabi GP - will the result stand…?

Total Members Polled: 468

Yes: 83%
No: 17%
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WindyCommon

Original Poster:

3,471 posts

245 months

Sunday 12th December 2021
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A quick poll to see what the PH hive-mind thinks will happen here…

MustangGT

12,055 posts

286 months

Sunday 12th December 2021
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Needs a third option 'I hope not'. Edited to add - Despite the clear and blatant breaking of the rules by the race director, I am 99% sure the FIA will do nothing because they want Max to win, however it happens.

CharlesElliott

2,049 posts

288 months

Sunday 12th December 2021
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I cannot see a way out of the safety car procedure rules.

All cars vs some cars......I think the rules strongly imply all (relevant) cars but I can see how that might be a bit grey.

After the cars pass, the safety car comes in on the following lap. That is explicit, I don't see how you explain that one.

TTmonkey

20,911 posts

253 months

Sunday 12th December 2021
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Result overturned and count back to last full valid racing lap for result….. would be the fair option.

Eric Mc

122,699 posts

271 months

Sunday 12th December 2021
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It will - unfortunately.

kambites

68,198 posts

227 months

Sunday 12th December 2021
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Yes it will stand, because overturning it would be even worse for the farce F1 has become than letting it stand. Formula 1 needs to now draw a line under this joke of a season and go back to trying to run a sport with rules, rather than a spectacle.

loafer123

15,643 posts

221 months

Sunday 12th December 2021
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Surely the answer is a 10 lap race off tomorrow…

PhillipM

6,529 posts

195 months

Sunday 12th December 2021
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Yes, the FIA ain't gonna lose that much face.

HARTLEYHARE1

588 posts

135 months

Sunday 12th December 2021
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H&S will win everything

Derek Smith

46,331 posts

254 months

Sunday 12th December 2021
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Been chatting with a lawyer.

The FIA are not always 100% compliant with their own rules, those of natural justice and common sense. They will also want a way out of the matter without losing too much face. Penalties and such are not likely.

There is a sensible option, as pointed out by someone earlier; take the order from the last lap that was compliant with the FIA's regs. Job done. It will be a drawn-out process, just to make it look as if they have taken it seriously, but they will probably decide the outcome tonight.

If the result stands, they lose credibility. If they change the result arbitrarily, they lose face. They will want something that limits the harm to the sport and looks reasonable, just as if the board were forced into the decision despite whatever.

E63eeeeee...

4,446 posts

55 months

Sunday 12th December 2021
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I don't see how they can change anything now. It would be different if it was cheating, in which case the cheating can be dealt with retrospectively and a reasonable punishment given, which could conceivably include changing the outcome, but this would be the equivalent of a refereeing error, so how would you sensibly and fairly punish a participant? It's not Red Bull/Verstappen's fault they benefited from poor refereeing. The only remotely viable option would be to discount the whole race, so Max wins anyway.

Athlon

5,147 posts

212 months

Sunday 12th December 2021
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Yes it will because that is what they think the fans want, I won't bother any more because it is not worth my time to watch a 'sport' manipulated to make the show. What a disgraceful end to a great season

Milkyway

9,922 posts

59 months

Sunday 12th December 2021
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Was Latifi... a ‘professional’ incident. scratchchin

kambites

68,198 posts

227 months

Sunday 12th December 2021
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PhillipM said:
Yes, the FIA ain't gonna lose that much face.
They don't have any face left to lose.

Gary C

13,036 posts

185 months

Sunday 12th December 2021
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Milkyway said:
Was Latifi... a ‘professional’ incident. scratchchin
Of course not.

He would have done it 3-4 laps earlier if it had been done on purpose.

LucyP

1,728 posts

65 months

Sunday 12th December 2021
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Mercedes have started the process that is likely to take it to the FIA Court of Appeal in Paris. All the good work done by Liberty to promote the sport in the post Mosely/Ecclestone era has now been undone, and once again a result will be decided by lawyers in a Court. A bad day for the sport.

Edited by LucyP on Sunday 12th December 19:54

LucyP

1,728 posts

65 months

Sunday 12th December 2021
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And he helped the rival to his team's engine supplier which makes the concept of it being staged highly unlikely. Had he not crashed, Hamilton would easily have won.

Arnold Cunningham

3,874 posts

259 months

Sunday 12th December 2021
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Simultaneously think it's good for the sport that Hamilton didn't win this year and also good for Honda too, even though they're leaving.
But what a crappy way to lose. Nevertheless, am sure Merc will go away over winter and come back strong again in the spring.

Sandpit Steve

11,232 posts

80 months

Sunday 12th December 2021
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I just got back from the circuit, and thought I’d watch the highlights before commenting.

We thought the procedure was rushed for “the show”, but hadn’t realised that the instruction was only given to half of the lapped cars to overtake, and hadn’t realised there was an original decision was for lapped cars to not overtake. To be honest, after a couple of laps of the SC we expected a red flag, to give a “Baku Sprint” finish once they’d cleaned up the mess.

Masi is bang to rights for a breach of 48.12, and the FIA are going to have an almighty problem working out what to do about it. He was making things up as he went along, when there are a specific set of rules he needs to follow.

Just about the only possibility is to curtail the race by two laps, and declare the result on the positions behind the SC. But that overturns the drivers’ championship, for something that isn’t the fault of the champion - which is quite the mess they’ve got themselves into.

Also LOL to find out that Mercedes bought their lawyer with them. This has a CAS case written all over it.

df76

3,774 posts

284 months

Sunday 12th December 2021
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Sandpit Steve said:
I just got back from the circuit, and thought I’d watch the highlights before commenting.

We thought the procedure was rushed for “the show”, but hadn’t realised that the instruction was only given to half of the lapped cars to overtake, and hadn’t realised there was an original decision was for lapped cars to not overtake. To be honest, after a couple of laps of the SC we expected a red flag, to give a “Baku Sprint” finish once they’d cleaned up the mess.

Masi is bang to rights for a breach of 48.12, and the FIA are going to have an almighty problem working out what to do about it. He was making things up as he went along, when there are a specific set of rules he needs to follow.

Just about the only possibility is to curtail the race by two laps, and declare the result on the positions behind the SC. But that overturns the drivers’ championship, for something that isn’t the fault of the champion - which is quite the mess they’ve got themselves into.

Also LOL to find out that Mercedes bought their lawyer with them. This has a CAS case written all over it.
Such a shame for the drivers, the FIA properly ballsed up here. See you in court. Thought Lewis and max handled it pretty well given the circumstances.