991.2 GT3 Buying Advice
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Hey All,
I'm looking to by a GT3 991.2, sometime between now and March - any advice as to what I should look out for?
I'm no stranger to buying cars but is there anything specific I should ask or check for ?
Will only buy from a dealer and if it's not a Porsche dealer, I'd insist the car had gone to an OPC for the 111 check
Is there anything else I need to ask, look out for or be aware of.
Thanks in advance
Pommers
I'm looking to by a GT3 991.2, sometime between now and March - any advice as to what I should look out for?
I'm no stranger to buying cars but is there anything specific I should ask or check for ?
Will only buy from a dealer and if it's not a Porsche dealer, I'd insist the car had gone to an OPC for the 111 check
Is there anything else I need to ask, look out for or be aware of.
Thanks in advance
Pommers
Pomsteroonie said:
Hey All,
I'm looking to by a GT3 991.2, sometime between now and March - any advice as to what I should look out for?
I'm no stranger to buying cars but is there anything specific I should ask or check for ?
Will only buy from a dealer and if it's not a Porsche dealer, I'd insist the car had gone to an OPC for the 111 check
Is there anything else I need to ask, look out for or be aware of.
Thanks in advance
Pommers
Just know what you want spec wise and stick with it ,don’t let others tell you what you should buy ,you are driving it not them .I'm looking to by a GT3 991.2, sometime between now and March - any advice as to what I should look out for?
I'm no stranger to buying cars but is there anything specific I should ask or check for ?
Will only buy from a dealer and if it's not a Porsche dealer, I'd insist the car had gone to an OPC for the 111 check
Is there anything else I need to ask, look out for or be aware of.
Thanks in advance
Pommers
franki68 said:
Just know what you want spec wise and stick with it ,don’t let others tell you what you should buy ,you are driving it not them .
Good advice. I would also try and view a couple of cars before being ready to buy so you can see what some of the options look like in the flesh. Also try the various seat options out and check if any really don't suit you. Buying used, you are unlikely to get your perfect spec but as long as you get the key things you want you will love it. Such a good car.Good luck. Awesome machines!
If you are buying a manual, even if buying from an OPC, before committing to a car, pay very close attention to the over-rev ecu data. There should be zero ignitions in ranges 3 upwards.
I bought one with 4 ignitions in range three. Yes, it was sold by an OPC and they were confident enough to put a Porsche warranty on it.
However, selling it ultimately involved being huddled over my phone with an OPC buyer on my drive way, holding a three way conversation with two different OPC workshops.
It took three calls to establish that the engine had successfully been stripped down and pressure tested after the over-revs were recorded, but the selling OPC was extremely cagey about it.
Another lesson I learnt was to visually inspect the brakes very carefully. There are OPCs out there who go right up to the line and 'prepare' cars in a way which the Porsche network overall would reject.
That said, the .2 GT3 I had was my best ever car by far. Every car I buy, I learn a little more about the pitfalls. Do you due diligence and you're in for a treat :-)
If you are buying a manual, even if buying from an OPC, before committing to a car, pay very close attention to the over-rev ecu data. There should be zero ignitions in ranges 3 upwards.
I bought one with 4 ignitions in range three. Yes, it was sold by an OPC and they were confident enough to put a Porsche warranty on it.
However, selling it ultimately involved being huddled over my phone with an OPC buyer on my drive way, holding a three way conversation with two different OPC workshops.
It took three calls to establish that the engine had successfully been stripped down and pressure tested after the over-revs were recorded, but the selling OPC was extremely cagey about it.
Another lesson I learnt was to visually inspect the brakes very carefully. There are OPCs out there who go right up to the line and 'prepare' cars in a way which the Porsche network overall would reject.
That said, the .2 GT3 I had was my best ever car by far. Every car I buy, I learn a little more about the pitfalls. Do you due diligence and you're in for a treat :-)
There are a few big choices that affect your ownership experience.
Colour: the brighter colours can be slower to sell, but accordingly rarer
Brakes: Ceramic (pccb) or steels, both fantastic, steels preferred for cheaper maintenance if tracking heavily.
Transmission: 6 speed or PDK, both heralded, my feel is that there is an equal split, but at present the manual is rarer
Clubsport or Comfort: The former comes with bucket seats and a half cage.
The ground clearance is pretty low, so the front axle lift is very useful.
The previous comments about over revs are vital to resale.
Navigate through these main choices and the rest is the detail that satisfies the myriad of personal preference.
Colour: the brighter colours can be slower to sell, but accordingly rarer
Brakes: Ceramic (pccb) or steels, both fantastic, steels preferred for cheaper maintenance if tracking heavily.
Transmission: 6 speed or PDK, both heralded, my feel is that there is an equal split, but at present the manual is rarer
Clubsport or Comfort: The former comes with bucket seats and a half cage.
The ground clearance is pretty low, so the front axle lift is very useful.
The previous comments about over revs are vital to resale.
Navigate through these main choices and the rest is the detail that satisfies the myriad of personal preference.
TDT said:
whj said:
There are a few big choices that affect your ownership experience.
The ground clearance is pretty low, so the front axle lift is very useful.
Not a loaded questionThe ground clearance is pretty low, so the front axle lift is very useful.
Over hang is shorter than GT4 I think , so is it genuinely necessary on GT3?
Thanks all - great advice. I think it will be PDK, my JCW is manual and my Alfa QF is paddleshift, at the speed my Alfa can carry, I'd struggle with a manual and feels like the GT3 may be the same.
I'm taking it that the over rev issue is a manual only problem or can it also impact the PDK ?
As for colour, I love the blues, so Miami, Mexico, Voodoo or Riveria will be perfect but equally other than black, white and silver, I'm good with most colours.
I'd like CS as I do like the seats and the front lift also seems to make sense - where I'm stuck is carbons vs steel. M4 M4 CS had carbons and my I've owned an M4 with steels. I find the steels were fine on the track, I don't do enough track days to warrant plonking for steel brakes unless it will bite me in the bum for doing a few track days a year with carbon brakes.
I'm taking it that the over rev issue is a manual only problem or can it also impact the PDK ?
As for colour, I love the blues, so Miami, Mexico, Voodoo or Riveria will be perfect but equally other than black, white and silver, I'm good with most colours.
I'd like CS as I do like the seats and the front lift also seems to make sense - where I'm stuck is carbons vs steel. M4 M4 CS had carbons and my I've owned an M4 with steels. I find the steels were fine on the track, I don't do enough track days to warrant plonking for steel brakes unless it will bite me in the bum for doing a few track days a year with carbon brakes.
Top pick is a Club Car, bucket seats, PCCB, lift and PDK, in White or GT silver with the extended leather and red stitching.
From a Porsche Dealer with two years warranty.
Probably 10k to 15k miles now and about 145k.
Good for a couple of track days each year, a fast drive to Scotland and will stand the test of time, keeping it's value, hopefully!
From a Porsche Dealer with two years warranty.
Probably 10k to 15k miles now and about 145k.
Good for a couple of track days each year, a fast drive to Scotland and will stand the test of time, keeping it's value, hopefully!
A colleague and friend at work is thinking of Mac 720’s he has a Guards red 2018, Clubsport, carbon buckets, PDK, lift, extended leather, red stitching and steel brakes.
About 11k miles, I don’t think it’s ever been on track it’s that immaculate, it’s definitely never been on track in his ownership it was from a main dealer with no over revs and had a warranty. He had it recently ceramic coated and front end PPF’ed.
Drop me a note if your keen.
About 11k miles, I don’t think it’s ever been on track it’s that immaculate, it’s definitely never been on track in his ownership it was from a main dealer with no over revs and had a warranty. He had it recently ceramic coated and front end PPF’ed.
Drop me a note if your keen.
Pomsteroonie said:
As for colour, I love the blues, so Miami, Mexico, Voodoo or Riveria will be perfect but equally other than black, white and silver, I'm good with most colours.
There were only two PTS UK cars (well two that have surfaced publicly to my knowledge…one in Gulf Orange and another in Maritime Blue (sold by Maxted Page a good while ago). So you won’t find Mexico, Voodoo or Riviera…unless it is an import. Mine is a manual which I have taken on track….never found that the car is too quick for a manual box on the road, there have been times on track when I have felt that but as I have had more instruction that’s fallen away. Totally depends how you are going to use it but if it’s as a road car that is being used occasionally rather than daily I’d have a good think about a manual.
Seat are very important and the two different bucket seats are quite different the 918 buckets are more upright, have height adjustment go lower in the car and are more comfortable for the bigger bloke. The folding buckets sit higher and are a tighter fit and can be heated if that box was ticked. For me I like my seat low as I am tall so it was the 918 Buckets. Personally think it’s quite odd that Porsche made a bucket seat that sits you higher than the comfort seats.
The other thing to note is that if you are driving one at this time of year if it is cold/damp and the car has Cup 2’s the car won’t have much grip. Totally different car to driving one on a warm summer’s day. A lot of people have put PS4S on now as road tyres as they’re much better in colder temps and you only really notice what the Cup2’s offer over them on a track.
Cheib said:
There were only two PTS UK cars (well two that have surfaced publicly to my knowledge…one in Gulf Orange and another in Maritime Blue (sold by Maxted Page a good while ago). So you won’t find Mexico, Voodoo or Riviera…unless it is an import.
Mine is a manual which I have taken on track….never found that the car is too quick for a manual box on the road, there have been times on track when I have felt that but as I have had more instruction that’s fallen away. Totally depends how you are going to use it but if it’s as a road car that is being used occasionally rather than daily I’d have a good think about a manual.
Seat are very important and the two different bucket seats are quite different the 918 buckets are more upright, have height adjustment go lower in the car and are more comfortable for the bigger bloke. The folding buckets sit higher and are a tighter fit and can be heated if that box was ticked. For me I like my seat low as I am tall so it was the 918 Buckets. Personally think it’s quite odd that Porsche made a bucket seat that sits you higher than the comfort seats.
The other thing to note is that if you are driving one at this time of year if it is cold/damp and the car has Cup 2’s the car won’t have much grip. Totally different car to driving one on a warm summer’s day. A lot of people have put PS4S on now as road tyres as they’re much better in colder temps and you only really notice what the Cup2’s offer over them on a track.
If it’s mainly road use the ps4s are extremely impressive to the point I regret not changing to them sooner .Mine is a manual which I have taken on track….never found that the car is too quick for a manual box on the road, there have been times on track when I have felt that but as I have had more instruction that’s fallen away. Totally depends how you are going to use it but if it’s as a road car that is being used occasionally rather than daily I’d have a good think about a manual.
Seat are very important and the two different bucket seats are quite different the 918 buckets are more upright, have height adjustment go lower in the car and are more comfortable for the bigger bloke. The folding buckets sit higher and are a tighter fit and can be heated if that box was ticked. For me I like my seat low as I am tall so it was the 918 Buckets. Personally think it’s quite odd that Porsche made a bucket seat that sits you higher than the comfort seats.
The other thing to note is that if you are driving one at this time of year if it is cold/damp and the car has Cup 2’s the car won’t have much grip. Totally different car to driving one on a warm summer’s day. A lot of people have put PS4S on now as road tyres as they’re much better in colder temps and you only really notice what the Cup2’s offer over them on a track.
OP good choice the 991.2 GT3 is possibly the pinnacle of contemporary usable Porsche GTs and not just because of the manificence of the engine which barring itbs is the same as the current 992 this unit having the disadvantage of heavy gpfs which also mutes the glorious sound somewhat. Only drawback to the manual I find is the clutch which is too light imo for a Porsche GT and Porsche have unfortunately continued this theme across the 718 GT cars too.
Other posters have covered most things and even if the car is a PDK I would still get a rev read out. Having owned PDKs and manual GT3s from new I prefer the manual for interaction one of Porsches finest manual gearboxes with perfectly spaced ratios and action but PDK is a fantastic gearbox your use of the car should be looked at in weighing up which gearbox suits you better and if possible drive both before commiting. Only 1 manual in the OPC network remainder are PDKs despite almost parity on manufacturing numbers.
Many cars are multi owned some buyers don't bother but most care I wouldn't touch a 2018 car with over 2 owners and 1 owner cars obviously get a premium ££.
Check front end paintwork quite a few have had new paint.
Bucket seat and cs cars command a healthy premium ££ and rightly so these features add to the overall GT car experience. However because there are far fewer 991.2 GT3 comforts than 991.1 models the price gap between a bucket seat and comfort seat car bizarrely has now narrowed due to rarity. Ceramics are most popular and command a premium but steel braked cars also sell well especially clubsports.
The front lift is a very desirable option and cars without are slower sellers. The GT3 front clearance is slightly better than the GT4 (both 718 and 981) however when negotiating speedbumps etc and activating lift the rear diffuser can be prone to scraping too as this gap is reduced.
Other options are highly personal but buyers used tend to like extended leather with coloured stitching, carbon, chrono and external light upgrade as a minimum. A new otr price of c £130k is what a reasonable spec cs car with ceramics would cost new.
No bad colours although yellow 991 GT3s are generally slower to shift.
Good call buying now approaching Xmas OP most in the know see these cars (and many others) appreciating 2022 amd beyond but be mindful the first run 17 reg cars are now due for a major 4 year service although this can come in at well under £2k with some negotiation at an OPC also try some extension of Porsche warranty as part of the deal.
Good luck.
Other posters have covered most things and even if the car is a PDK I would still get a rev read out. Having owned PDKs and manual GT3s from new I prefer the manual for interaction one of Porsches finest manual gearboxes with perfectly spaced ratios and action but PDK is a fantastic gearbox your use of the car should be looked at in weighing up which gearbox suits you better and if possible drive both before commiting. Only 1 manual in the OPC network remainder are PDKs despite almost parity on manufacturing numbers.
Many cars are multi owned some buyers don't bother but most care I wouldn't touch a 2018 car with over 2 owners and 1 owner cars obviously get a premium ££.
Check front end paintwork quite a few have had new paint.
Bucket seat and cs cars command a healthy premium ££ and rightly so these features add to the overall GT car experience. However because there are far fewer 991.2 GT3 comforts than 991.1 models the price gap between a bucket seat and comfort seat car bizarrely has now narrowed due to rarity. Ceramics are most popular and command a premium but steel braked cars also sell well especially clubsports.
The front lift is a very desirable option and cars without are slower sellers. The GT3 front clearance is slightly better than the GT4 (both 718 and 981) however when negotiating speedbumps etc and activating lift the rear diffuser can be prone to scraping too as this gap is reduced.
Other options are highly personal but buyers used tend to like extended leather with coloured stitching, carbon, chrono and external light upgrade as a minimum. A new otr price of c £130k is what a reasonable spec cs car with ceramics would cost new.
No bad colours although yellow 991 GT3s are generally slower to shift.
Good call buying now approaching Xmas OP most in the know see these cars (and many others) appreciating 2022 amd beyond but be mindful the first run 17 reg cars are now due for a major 4 year service although this can come in at well under £2k with some negotiation at an OPC also try some extension of Porsche warranty as part of the deal.
Good luck.
As far as the engines go on the 991.2 GT3 and the 992 GT3 there is quite a bit of difference.
Aside to the ITBs and 10kgs lighter Exhaust the 4.0 NA in the 992GT3 Code MA275 (MA177) in the 991.2 GT3, has 127g lighter low friction Pistons now made by Mahle, different crankcase, cylinder heads, runs a higher fuel pressure, the hydraulic engine mounts are no longer, even the RWS has higher angle of slip now being 2.0d up from 1.5d on the 991.2GT3. I had great fun in my 991 GT3s and would have another in a blink.
Aside to the ITBs and 10kgs lighter Exhaust the 4.0 NA in the 992GT3 Code MA275 (MA177) in the 991.2 GT3, has 127g lighter low friction Pistons now made by Mahle, different crankcase, cylinder heads, runs a higher fuel pressure, the hydraulic engine mounts are no longer, even the RWS has higher angle of slip now being 2.0d up from 1.5d on the 991.2GT3. I had great fun in my 991 GT3s and would have another in a blink.
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