Kingspan sponsorship.
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https://www.racefans.net/2021/12/02/mercedes-kings...
I can sort of see the point of view in that Kingspan has been vilified over Grenfell Towers but honestly are Mercedes so desperate for sponsorship that they need the bad publicity that has descended upon them?
I don’t know how easy sponsorship is to get in F1 but one would like to think that the top team in F1 would have less trouble than most.
So why risk the inevitable backlash?
I suspect it's a matter of whoever runs the commercial side of the operation being unaware of the issue. Grenfell got a lot of publicity here but I doubt anyone outside the UK has ever heard of it so there's no particular reason it should be on Mercedes' radar.
It's certainly a PR mess here, though.
It's certainly a PR mess here, though.
Drawweight said:
https://www.racefans.net/2021/12/02/mercedes-kings...
I can sort of see the point of view in that Kingspan has been vilified over Grenfell Towers but honestly are Mercedes so desperate for sponsorship that they need the bad publicity that has descended upon them?
I don’t know how easy sponsorship is to get in F1 but one would like to think that the top team in F1 would have less trouble than most.
So why risk the inevitable backlash?
Why do people need to make such a noise about it....... f**king cancel culture again and again.I can sort of see the point of view in that Kingspan has been vilified over Grenfell Towers but honestly are Mercedes so desperate for sponsorship that they need the bad publicity that has descended upon them?
I don’t know how easy sponsorship is to get in F1 but one would like to think that the top team in F1 would have less trouble than most.
So why risk the inevitable backlash?
Grenfell was bad, no doubt about it. Some dreadful decisions, but this was years ago and yet companies and people are still getting vilified for it because the whole world is expected by a few to pile sympathy upon them time and time again.
It's stupid really as wasn't most of the insulation Celotex?
I believe that only a very small proportion was Kingspan.
Do the people who complain about this complain about Kingspans other form of Marketing?
I would say that they have certainly had their moneys worth even before a car hits the track with their logo.
I believe that only a very small proportion was Kingspan.
Do the people who complain about this complain about Kingspans other form of Marketing?
I would say that they have certainly had their moneys worth even before a car hits the track with their logo.
Drawweight said:
https://www.racefans.net/2021/12/02/mercedes-kings...
I can sort of see the point of view in that Kingspan has been vilified over Grenfell Towers but honestly are Mercedes so desperate for sponsorship that they need the bad publicity that has descended upon them?
I don’t know how easy sponsorship is to get in F1 but one would like to think that the top team in F1 would have less trouble than most.
So why risk the inevitable backlash?
What a piss poor piece of journalism. I can sort of see the point of view in that Kingspan has been vilified over Grenfell Towers but honestly are Mercedes so desperate for sponsorship that they need the bad publicity that has descended upon them?
I don’t know how easy sponsorship is to get in F1 but one would like to think that the top team in F1 would have less trouble than most.
So why risk the inevitable backlash?
'Some'
'May have'
Really? So that's definitive then.
Drawweight said:
https://www.racefans.net/2021/12/02/mercedes-kings...
I can sort of see the point of view in that Kingspan has been vilified over Grenfell Towers but honestly are Mercedes so desperate for sponsorship that they need the bad publicity that has descended upon them?
I don’t know how easy sponsorship is to get in F1 but one would like to think that the top team in F1 would have less trouble than most.
So why risk the inevitable backlash?
A slightly tongue-in-cheek reply but Daimler / Mercedes have some solid historical links to the Nazi party, used forced labour in camps and created parts of many military vehicles and weapons that killed many thousands in WW2. They seem to have got over that ok, albeit that's a more distant memory.I can sort of see the point of view in that Kingspan has been vilified over Grenfell Towers but honestly are Mercedes so desperate for sponsorship that they need the bad publicity that has descended upon them?
I don’t know how easy sponsorship is to get in F1 but one would like to think that the top team in F1 would have less trouble than most.
So why risk the inevitable backlash?
cholo said:
It's stupid really as wasn't most of the insulation Celotex?
I believe that only a very small proportion was Kingspan.
Hmm, yes. <5% of the insulation was Kingspan; they weren't involved in its selection for that application; and the product was clearly marked as not suitable for use on high-rise buildings. Quite how Kingspan are in any way to blame is a bit of a mystery to me!I believe that only a very small proportion was Kingspan.
kambites said:
cholo said:
It's stupid really as wasn't most of the insulation Celotex?
I believe that only a very small proportion was Kingspan.
Hmm, yes. <5% of the insulation was Kingspan; they weren't involved in its selection for that application; and the product was clearly marked as not suitable for use on high-rise buildings. Quite how Kingspan are in any way to blame is a bit of a mystery to me!I believe that only a very small proportion was Kingspan.
Sad re-purposing of rightful inquiry into a sad and distressing incident?
teAlso aren't there people still homed in similar deathtraps in population centres, being asked to cough up for cladding repairs? Where is the Conservative government's impetus to safeguard the lives of those people?
Gove isn't even blaming the problem. It is so tenuous. It's pathetic and it makes me angry.
Gove isn't even blaming the problem. It is so tenuous. It's pathetic and it makes me angry.
super7 said:
hot metal said:
Just some dick journalist looking for a reaction, 
nothing to see here, move on.
The "Grenfell Towers" action group wrote to Mercedes and probably copied all the press..... nothing to see here, move on.The fact the media are focussed on some very crude comments made by kingspan employees regards the supply and defence of their products shows that they're reaching to create villains for the sake of a story. They supply building products to builders - of course they deal with problems and negotiations/complaints via liberal use of the F word.
Absolutely disgraceful that the media (and now that donut Gove) is acting to put pressure on a business dealing which is itself nothing to do with the on-going investigation - and in principle there should be no assumptions made until the investigation concludes in any case.
Assuming as I suspect the case will be, Kingspan are found to not be at fault - how in retrospect will Gove justify writing a letter to Mercedes asking them not to take kingspan as a sponsor? At a stroke he has turned the positive marketing kingspan were seeking to pay for in to negative publicity. Does he have that right before the investigation concludes? Do his actions not suggest he actually has no confidence in the outcome or process of the investigation?
There's actual nasty stuff in the world for the media to focus on without exploiting the Grenfell tragedy in such a tenuous way for the sake of promoting further upset/outrage (to sell papers to morons..)
Absolutely disgraceful that the media (and now that donut Gove) is acting to put pressure on a business dealing which is itself nothing to do with the on-going investigation - and in principle there should be no assumptions made until the investigation concludes in any case.
Assuming as I suspect the case will be, Kingspan are found to not be at fault - how in retrospect will Gove justify writing a letter to Mercedes asking them not to take kingspan as a sponsor? At a stroke he has turned the positive marketing kingspan were seeking to pay for in to negative publicity. Does he have that right before the investigation concludes? Do his actions not suggest he actually has no confidence in the outcome or process of the investigation?
There's actual nasty stuff in the world for the media to focus on without exploiting the Grenfell tragedy in such a tenuous way for the sake of promoting further upset/outrage (to sell papers to morons..)
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