RE: 2021 ULEZ expansion | PH Explains

RE: 2021 ULEZ expansion | PH Explains

Saturday 23rd October 2021

2021 ULEZ expansion | PH Explains

From Mile End to Ealing and Brixton to Bounds Green, the Ultra Low Emission Zone gets larger on Monday



From Monday October 25th, it'll cost £12.50 to drive any non-ULEZ (Ultra Low Emission Zone)-compliant car within London's North and South circulars, the A406 and A205. Having been introduced in 2019 in the Congestion Charge Zone, the Ultra Low Emissions Zone is now 18 times larger than two years ago. Which is a lot. Hopefully you'll excuse the shameless shoehorning of an iconic lyric into the standfirst to illustrate just how far-reaching the new zone is; there are people set to be affected in Clapham that'd get a nose bleed going as far as up as Wood Green, but the fee would still apply.

Indeed, there's no getting around the fact that driving in central London - or even Zone 2, as your annoying London mates will tell you they live - will be extremely expensive. With the Congestion Charge now at least £15 (or £17.50 if you pay a couple of days later) on top of the ULEZ £12.50, every trip in could cost £30. That's likely to grate however wealthy you might be. Especially as the classification, for diesel cars at least, is fairly strict - you'll need Euro 6 emissions classification, which only became obligatory in September 2015, to be exempt from the Ultra Low Emissions Zone. So there are diesels out there - some lovely four-, six-, and eight-cylinder cars, some barely six years old - that'll incur the charge.

For petrols, it's much less strict, as cars need only be Euro 4 compliant to avoid the £12.50. That was made mandatory across Europe in 2005, with some cars ahead of their time being compliant early. So there are 2004 cars that remain outside the rules. But classics are exempt, although opting for something 40-years old or more seems a pretty drastic move to avoid the charge. For those of you who live in town, with your avocado brunches and £8 pints, it's worth noting that you won't be charged for keeping your car on the driveway - or abandoned on a nearby street. You'll only be liable to pay on days when you're actually driving in the zone.


Everyone will have their own view on how necessary and impactful the ULEZ expansion will be - a discussion we'll leave for the comments thread. That said, an effort to clean up London's air, however unpopular it may prove, seems at least laudable. Nobody is going to miss old diesels clogging up streets, surely, and a move to using public transport more in such a busy city seems eminently sensible. If only it weren't for a global pandemic making people prefer their cars to trains. A cleaner future for the capital seems hard to criticise, but it's clear already that ULEZ has its detractors. At which point we'll hand over to you...

Instead of arguing the toss over legislation, we'll point you towards a few cars from the 160,000 available in the PH classifieds. In particular, they're cars that are surprising, either for their compatibility with ULEZ regulations - or the very opposite. We've tried to pick cars for sale inside the M25, too, as it might be easier to strike a bargain on those.

Did you know a Maybach is ULEZ exempt? Yes, really. We've checked the reg plate of this one numerous times, and it really does only need to pay the Congestion Charge. So if you want to play at diplomat, what better than a 2003 57 V12? This isn't some neglected old heap, either, but a low mileage (46k) example with full Mercedes-Benz service history - which probably totals the £40,000 asking price over the past 18 years. The private seller says it's "an absolute please to drive, reflecting the way it has been looked after and maintained." Even the light leather has lasted nicely. A twin-turbo V12 uber saloon, for sale in London at the price of a specced-up hot hatch, is compliant with the Ultra Low Emissions Zone. Which feels like cheating. Don't say we never do sensible consumer advice on PH...


At the other end of the spectrum, something like this BMW F31 330d will be forced to pay the £12.50 daily charge. That's how draconian the measure is for oil-burners: this was a class leading diesel wagon just a generation ago, a model of efficiency and desirability, now deemed not clean enough for SW4. It's for sale just outside London, however, so won't face any adverse charges for now. The way around it? Buy the faster one. This 335d from the same generation doesn't incur the ULEZ wrath, presumably as a slightly newer engine designed with Euro 6 in mind. This Touring is Estoril Blue and nicely turned out - previous owners have clearly seen the appeal, too, with 80k already on the clock of this 2014 car. Newcastle maybe doesn't have much perceived relevance to a ULEZ story, but the point stands to anyone in London eyeing up a purchase - it's really worth researching every engine possibility. Who'd have thought a 335d would save money over a 330d?

Fancy a sports car instead? You might be surprised how old it's possible to go. This Ferrari F430 is a 2005 car, and thus is Euro 4 eligible. All 8,500rpm and 480hp of it. Quite why you would want to drive a Ferrari V8 inside the M25, leave alone the North Circular, is another matter, but the option is there if required.

Time for a final one that falls foul. We're still yet to officially see the new Range Rover, yet the outgoing car doesn't comply in all its variants. This early V8 diesel, for many the pick of the L405 range of the range, would be subject to both Congestion Charge and ULEZ. Which is a shame, because the soothing surroundings of a Range Rover (along with bountiful torque of a big, V8 diesel) makes them ideal London transport. Away from the width restrictors, of course. Another one where the petrol version skirts around the problem. In fact, why not go the whole hog and get an SVR? This 2016 car is for sale in Kingston, so not far from actual London, in the trademark blue and with a full main dealer service history on top.



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Discussion

Omaruk

Original Poster:

644 posts

162 months

Saturday 23rd October 2021
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How are they going to police it? I haven’t seen the cameras up like the congestion zone.

L1ttl3dud3

51 posts

36 months

Saturday 23rd October 2021
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There are some bizzare outcomes on the ULEZ, that beemer is not ULEZ exemot but 2014 X5 30d is and 2014 730D isnt...Chose my last car to avoid ULEZ so a petrol estate Avensis, so few decent reliable petrol estates available at 10K to choose from. Wish id bought something else because its so dull. Driving in town though you see a lot of Range Rovers that wont be ULEZ that are not old cars. Throw in the parking price hikes on diesels and tge noticibly smaller parking bays and its obvious we are being manipulated.

sidesauce

2,546 posts

221 months

Saturday 23rd October 2021
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Omaruk said:
How are they going to police it? I haven’t seen the cameras up like the congestion zone.
I literally live just within the the ULEZ border (my apartment block is the last building in my area before the A406/North Circular) - the cameras have already been put up.

EDIT: Here's a picture I just took for anyone curious to see what they look like - they're pretty discreet.



Edited by sidesauce on Saturday 23 October 16:59

WonkyPointing

10 posts

61 months

Saturday 23rd October 2021
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how Has it come to this?

Arsecati

2,380 posts

120 months

Saturday 23rd October 2021
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I'm originally from Ealing, but in Dublin last 20 years (where the hell did those 20 years go!). I can't remember ever actually driving my car anywhere near the ULEZ zone, as the traffic was a nightmare, the tube is actually decent and I would generally just use the motorbike if need be. But even motorbikes now must pay it if they don't meet Euro 3 - at the same rates as bleeding cars (and after checking, half of my 2 wheeled toys WOULD fall foul!). Still, I guess I wouldn't have this many bikes if I still lived in London anyway, so my own argument is a bit null and void, and I still have my 71 Bonnie which would be exempt from all (which would be handy, if I didn't have to keep kickstarting the b@$t@rd everywhere I went!!). My natural instinct is to b1tch and moan about it (and I think when saying old Maybachs are ok but fairly modern diesels are not is bloody ludicrous!), but there was/is zero joy in driving a nice car or bike in London as it is, so I'm finding it hard to get that emotional about it. Having said that - damn I'm glad I now have such glorious roads on my doorstep here in the sticks!

tihouss

35 posts

135 months

Saturday 23rd October 2021
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What I want to read is an article about the best cargo bike/stupid impractical weekend car combo! Or, worst case scenario, the best eligible Kei cars for sale in the UK.

I started riding a bike to work because I couldn't stand either the horrible wear and tear inflicted on my Cortina's drivetrain by the daily grind, and didn't want to buy a whole car just for that silly purpose. It really is a win-win situation, rhe second (fun) car gets more use and the main boring car doesn't exist!

CS Garth

2,870 posts

108 months

Saturday 23rd October 2021
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Although caught by this I think it is the right way to go. It also enables the congestion charge to focus on vehicles causing congestion ie to phase out the the exempt categories in total by 2025.

crofty1984

16,007 posts

207 months

Saturday 23rd October 2021
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I'm hoping that means a lot of cheap cars/bikes for sale for those of us in the rest of the country to pick off.

numtumfutunch

4,778 posts

141 months

Saturday 23rd October 2021
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L1ttl3dud3 said:
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Throw in the parking price hikes on diesels and tge noticibly smaller parking bays and its obvious we are being manipulated.
Interesting quote on parking bays

Haven't driven in central London for years but parked up just off High St Ken for lunch last week. Car has diamond cut alloys so left a small margin of error next to kerb.

A warden watched me park then came over and politely told me I was over the drivers side white line marking the bay and he'd have to ticket me. So I had to get scarily snug to the kerb.

Car is 5 series wagon so big but not stupid

Cheers

Matthew-18w4p

48 posts

43 months

Saturday 23rd October 2021
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Dont want to drive there anyway but when he tries to extend it to boundary of the London Boroughs I'm off. Im not paying 12.50 to drive my classic Mk2 Golf anywhere!

CS Garth

2,870 posts

108 months

Saturday 23rd October 2021
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numtumfutunch said:
Interesting quote on parking bays

Haven't driven in central London for years but parked up just off High St Ken for lunch last week. Car has diamond cut alloys so left a small margin of error next to kerb.

A warden watched me park then came over and politely told me I was over the drivers side white line marking the bay and he'd have to ticket me. So I had to get scarily snug to the kerb.

Car is 5 series wagon so big but not stupid

Cheers
Many of London’s spaces don’t meet the legal minimum width - I’ve been ticketed and successfully appealed on this basis

jason61c

5,978 posts

177 months

Saturday 23rd October 2021
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It’s a shame for all those northerners who live in that ‘zone’. Hopefully this sort of rubbish won’t spread south.

croyde

23,279 posts

233 months

Saturday 23rd October 2021
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I sold my much cherished BMW E36 323i bought back in 1998 because of this as I live just outside the zone but have business at odd times that don't fit with public transport just inside it.

I bought a new Duster as a replacement.

Last week I bought a 2001 Alfa 156 2.0 T Spark as a fun car to use in the countryside.

Surprised to find that according to the TFL site that it is compliant despite only being Euro 3.

I'm sure they are trying to trick me.

dontlookdown

1,808 posts

96 months

Saturday 23rd October 2021
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Omaruk said:
How are they going to police it? I haven’t seen the cameras up like the congestion zone.
Live a mile beyond s circ in Sarfeest London. Cameras have been up for a while. They are pretty discreet little things.

dontlookdown

1,808 posts

96 months

Saturday 23rd October 2021
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tihouss said:
What I want to read is an article about the best cargo bike/stupid impractical weekend car combo! Or, worst case scenario, the best eligible Kei cars for sale in the UK.

I started riding a bike to work because I couldn't stand either the horrible wear and tear inflicted on my Cortina's drivetrain by the daily grind, and didn't want to buy a whole car just for that silly purpose. It really is a win-win situation, rhe second (fun) car gets more use and the main boring car doesn't exist!
Totally. Bike now best option for me in many cases. Cargo bikes interesting but expensive and readily stolen whilst parked outside shops?

croyde

23,279 posts

233 months

Saturday 23rd October 2021
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Restricting the motorbikes is daft. Best way of using one in London is having something old that the scrotes won't nick.

Forcing people onto newer bikes that might be impossible or ludicrously expensive to insure in London is cruel.

howardhughes

1,044 posts

207 months

Saturday 23rd October 2021
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The bottom line is the Government hates motorists. It's a simple as that.

jimdollar

51 posts

91 months

Saturday 23rd October 2021
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This is worth a read" There is no climate crisis" by David Craig.
An outstanding contribution to our understanding of the climate crisis
Reviewed in the United Kingdom on 22 June 2021
I highly recommend this book because David Craig has has avoided complex science making the book an easy read. He has concentrated on published information about the climate and the inconsistencies over the years which cannot be explained. In doing so he asks us to question our beliefs about what is really happening to the climate and the validity of the information we are given.

The most important section of the book is the discussion of the net zero carbon policies being adopted by many governments. He explains the huge cost implications for families and businesses and the implications for land use and how this will damage our energy supplies and competitiveness in the world.

No other book I have read on climate change explains the issues in such a clear way. It warns of the dangerous route we are taking and the failure of politicians to protect our interests. All adults and children who think they can save the planet by giving up fossil fuels should read this book.

valiant

10,682 posts

163 months

Saturday 23rd October 2021
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crofty1984 said:
I'm hoping that means a lot of cheap cars/bikes for sale for those of us in the rest of the country to pick off.
Wouldn’t bank on it.

I sold my Euro5 diesel just a few months ago a few miles outside London. One of the reasons was ULEZ (but not a primary reason) and chatting to the salesman we were both very much aware of potential impacts on prices but due to the state of the market generally I was offered almost £2k more than what it was worth 18 months previously when ULEZ was not on most peoples radar.

croyde

23,279 posts

233 months

Saturday 23rd October 2021
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My Duster bought pre reg but new back in Feb for £10500 is now worth £11800 according to WBAC.