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Mr Tidy said:
But I can't help thinking they may drop a bit once the GR goes on sale.
Glad it's not just me thinking that. At the moment my somewhat arbitrary price limit will only buy me a leggy one, where a couple of years ago it would have got me something a bit better.
Trouble is that I am almost out of patience, and this has been at the front of my mind for several days! 2022 seems like a long time away.
Honeywell, yours looks great. I'm sure once you're in an Emira you won't look back!
Well, I went for a bit of a drive this afternoon and so enjoyed myself I am slightly wondering why I want to drop an additional £50k into a car that will be too fast for the B roads around Malvern -which I was hooning across - to go any faster.
I might just keep it. It fulfills its brief brilliantly and is buttons to run. I've got it tweaked so perfectly that I might regret letting it go forever.
That Lotus just looks so damn good though...

I might just keep it. It fulfills its brief brilliantly and is buttons to run. I've got it tweaked so perfectly that I might regret letting it go forever.
That Lotus just looks so damn good though...
Edited by Honeywell on Monday 4th October 22:50
I won a competition for 86 winners to drive a GT86 up the Goodwood hill at the launch event.
And although I got given an Auto I was interested enough to book a test drive in a manual one on my birthday in 2014.
It was great, but I got quoted over £27K for a new one, and the few used ones around at the time weren't much cheaper. Plus it didn't feel any quicker than my BMW 123d, although it handled much better.
Then I took a test drive in another car I had loved for its looks, a manual 3.0Si BMW Z4 Coupe and I got seduced by more power - and about 40% of the price, even if it was 8 years old.
I had Z4 Coupes for over 5 years then got more carried away in December 2019 when I bought a Z4M Coupe, but it's probably like the Emira. Red-line in 3rd would be into 3 figures so as much as I love it maybe it's a bit more than you can enjoy properly while keeping your licence!
Hopefully the GR will find a niche for good handling and reasonable, but not licence losing, performance.
And although I got given an Auto I was interested enough to book a test drive in a manual one on my birthday in 2014.
It was great, but I got quoted over £27K for a new one, and the few used ones around at the time weren't much cheaper. Plus it didn't feel any quicker than my BMW 123d, although it handled much better.
Then I took a test drive in another car I had loved for its looks, a manual 3.0Si BMW Z4 Coupe and I got seduced by more power - and about 40% of the price, even if it was 8 years old.
I had Z4 Coupes for over 5 years then got more carried away in December 2019 when I bought a Z4M Coupe, but it's probably like the Emira. Red-line in 3rd would be into 3 figures so as much as I love it maybe it's a bit more than you can enjoy properly while keeping your licence!
Hopefully the GR will find a niche for good handling and reasonable, but not licence losing, performance.
fflump said:
Your GT86 looks great presumably intended to resemble an Elan in black/gold JPS livery
Ever considered buying the real thing?
Its a v dark metallic grey and I got the side stickers first and later colour matched the wheels to the stickers when I had the alloys stripped, powder coated and lacquered. The colour is not really gold, more orange in it a more bronzy gold and the cars not black so it's more a JPS homagé than replica. Just thought they'd work well together and I never liked diamond cut / or black alloys and the OEM were both!Ever considered buying the real thing?
Mines tuned to 214bhp, Fennsport package, subaru unequal length headers so it's got the uneven warble, loud miltek exhaust, updated Focal speakers, race brake pads, extra oil cooler, sort air filter and bigger inlet pipe. Alcantara steering wheel by Royal. Michelin pilot sport 4 rubber, standard suspension. 4 engine maps selectable on the move.
1, standard.
2. 99 octane Shell Vpower optimised raises redline by 300rpm and gives you the power bump to 214bhp
3. As 2 plus you get auto throttle blip on the gear down change if you're braking whilst dipping the clutch.
4. As 1 plus 2 but you get no-lift throttle up changes so you can put the clutch down keep the throttle pinned and the revs don't smash to the redline but drop to match the correct engine revs to the next gear up at the current speed.
I keep it in 3. 4 is only for use on a circuit really and I don't track it.
Bloody hoot to drive - if they'd all been like this out of the factory they'd have sold millions. There is no torque dip and the engine lives all day long between 5000 and 7600 rpm sounding epic.
I had no intention of ever selling it until Emira arrived out of the blue as a thing. I think Toyota are giving us a machine that is legal but a great great platform to tune to something amazing but which they just aren't allowed to sell anymore. I think of it as a Ford Mk2 RS 2000 for the 21st century. You've got to work it, plan your driving, change gear a lot, redline it, the tail comes out, watch it in the wet, but when it's all flowing it feels fantastic.
I suspect the Lotus will be similar but at just 50% more speed, a lot more width and no handy back seats.
I'm talking myself out of it now!
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Edited by Honeywell on Tuesday 5th October 07:03
I imagine that a likely scenario is that the new GR86 coincides with a general drop in used car prices as the semi-conductor shortage resolves. I'm also after a GT86 but with how high the prices are at the moment I'm going to wait until the GR86 comes out and see what happens.
Ideal scenario is the price of used cars plummets and I can pick up a lightly used GR86 (maybe ex-demo) with a good saving.
Ideal scenario is the price of used cars plummets and I can pick up a lightly used GR86 (maybe ex-demo) with a good saving.
I wouldn’t say values have gone up massively with these, I was looking last year and they’re a little bit higher but not massively. Personally I’d say if you want one go for it now as it’s only going to get harder to afford ICE running costs. I don’t think you’d suffer with depreciation for a while yet.
JQ said:
Honeywell, if you do decide to sell please can you drop me a pm, I’d certainly be interested, the car looks lovely.
Sure thing.The nice weather of the last couple of days has seen me drive it a bit more than usual and I have reminded myself that its flipping lovely thing without having to go above 80mph. I am genuinely torn -- The Emira looks like a dream, I love my tweaked GT86 and its perfect, but, I can't afford both. Hmmm.
Really really really would be helpful if Lotus could at least make half a dozen real ones for people to view and a few testers to review.
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