Schengen Visa - 90 days in 180 days

[jezzaaa]

Hi All,

Looking for the PH wisdom again! I'm a bit confused with the 90/180 days thingy!

So I will have stayed in France for 90 days by mid October. I think you're allowed 180 days per year in total, with no more than 90 days in any one period of 180 days. Is that right?

So I arrived in early July...so the first 180 days will be over in late December. So I could/can use my 90 days at any point in that first period.

Then in the second lot of 180 days (approx Jan to June), I presume I can stay another 90 days? Is that how it works?

Does anything reset when crossing the new year?

Thanks all,

J.

Edited by jezzaaa on Monday 20th September 18:16

[KenC]

No reset at all. It is 90 days in every rolling 180.

https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/visa-calculator/

[psi310398]

These sites lay it out clearly.

Read this:

https://www.frenchentree.com/brexit/eu-90-180-day-...

And then use this:

https://ec.europa.eu/assets/home/visa-calculator/c...

HTH

[s2sol]

No, that's not how it works. It's a rolling 180 days. If you leave the Schengen area on 1st October and want to go back on 1st January, for example, you'd need to look at the 180 days preceding the 1st January. If you've spent 90 days in the Schengen area in those 180 days, you can't go back. If, by 1st February, you'd spent 59 days of the last 180 in the area, you could go back for another 31 days.
It seems to be tricky for a lot of people to absorb, but I think the key is to look at the date you'd like to return and work out how many of the previous 180 days you've been in the area. I'm hoping there might be some grace period given for mistakes, because I've got a decent trip planned for this winter and I don't want to have to skulk about in Croatia for ages.

[ClaphamGT3]

Thank heavens for an Irish passport

[rdjohn]

The simple answer is to obtain a long-stay visa

https://france-visas.gouv.fr/web/france-visas/visa...

[jezzaaa]

s2sol said:

No, that's not how it works. It's a rolling 180 days. If you leave the Schengen area on 1st October and want to go back on 1st January, for example, you'd need to look at the 180 days preceding the 1st January. If you've spent 90 days in the Schengen area in those 180 days, you can't go back. If, by 1st February, you'd spent 59 days of the last 180 in the area, you could go back for another 31 days.
It seems to be tricky for a lot of people to absorb, but I think the key is to look at the date you'd like to return and work out how many of the previous 180 days you've been in the area. I'm hoping there might be some grace period given for mistakes, because I've got a decent trip planned for this winter and I don't want to have to skulk about in Croatia for ages.

I'm very slow of brain...apologies! But I think I've got it. I've been playing with the calculator, and can see what it's doing. So all good...thanks to everyone who commented

Edited by jezzaaa on Tuesday 21st September 13:42

[jezzaaa]

ClaphamGT3 said:

Thank heavens for an Irish passport

Lol...thanks for that! Smug git...!!

[jezzaaa]

rdjohn said:

The simple answer is to obtain a long-stay visa

https://france-visas.gouv.fr/web/france-visas/visa...

Yes, well I looked at that. My circumstances are difficult though...I am also limited in the number of days I can stay in the UK due to my tax residence status. My research leads me to believe that you have to apply for the long stay visa in the UK, providing your passport to one of the UK centres and then waiting for some days (up to 20) until finally getting your visa. I can't spend that many days in the UK, and if they've got my passport I won't be able to leave while they do it. I've spoken to the Prefecture here in the Department I'm staying in and called the Embassy in Paris, who both told me that they currently don't have processes for UK people to do the application in France, and that I would have to apply from UK. So I'm a bit rooked.

Unless you know better?? Hoping someone might as that would be great

[Kevp]

ColourRestorer said:

Therefore, in case of a holiday home in France, one ought to be able to apply for a new VLS-T before the following summer."

If you have a holiday home here you can get a Carte de Sejour, this should remove the 90 days max in France. So I'm told..

[smifffymoto]

For a Titre de sejour you have to be resident,as I understand it.

[Kevp]

No they opened it up to holiday homes. I have customers in our area that have qualified. But I don't know the exact criteria.

[psi310398]

Kevp said:

No they opened it up to holiday homes. I have customers in our area that have qualified. But I don't know the exact criteria.

From reading the equivalent Italian government sites, I’ve seen no equivalent provision for Italian holiday home owners. Is anybody aware of one, please?

It seems strange that we are effectively being told by a state on its economic knees that it deigns only to accept our money for goods and services for very limited periods and would we kindly push off and enrich somewhere else the rest of the time on pain of being barred for non-compliance…Still, their gaff, their rules.

[smifffymoto]

Kevp said:

No they opened it up to holiday homes. I have customers in our area that have qualified. But I don't know the exact criteria.

Anybody with an address can get a carte de sejour with the corresponding paperwork via the website.
Your customers may be in for a surprise when the fisc come knocking asking why they aren’t filing tax returns.

[rdjohn]

….and their answer needs to be that they are fiscally resident in the UK and be able to demonstrate that they have not spent more than 183 days in France. Its important to get your passport stamped and perhaps even carry a copy of your UK tax return with you.

[smifffymoto]

If you are fiscally resident in the UK,how are you earning your living or income while in France?

[Kevp]

smifffymoto said:

Anybody with an address can get a carte de sejour with the corresponding paperwork via the website.
Your customers may be in for a surprise when the fisc come knocking asking why they aren’t filing tax returns.

I don't know, because I haven't asked. But probably at least half of them have a UK income. And I'm sure they all know they have to file a French tax return stating their UK income & tax situation.
Although I work here and fill in french tax returns, I still have to list my UK earnings as well. I dont think they are trying to dodge anything.

[trunnie]

psi310398 said:

From reading the equivalent Italian government sites, I’ve seen no equivalent provision for Italian holiday home owners. Is anybody aware of one, please?

It seems strange that we are effectively being told by a state on its economic knees that it deigns only to accept our money for goods and services for very limited periods and would we kindly push off and enrich somewhere else the rest of the time on pain of being barred for non-compliance…Still, their gaff, their rules.

Yes, that's Boris Johnson's England for you 😀

[the tribester]

trunnie said:

psi310398 said:

From reading the equivalent Italian government sites, I’ve seen no equivalent provision for Italian holiday home owners. Is anybody aware of one, please?

It seems strange that we are effectively being told by a state on its economic knees that it deigns only to accept our money for goods and services for very limited periods and would we kindly push off and enrich somewhere else the rest of the time on pain of being barred for non-compliance…Still, their gaff, their rules.

Yes, that's Boris Johnson's England for you ??

I don't think he was talking about England.

[Carbon Sasquatch]

the tribester said:

I don't think he was talking about England.

😀 is supposed to be a smiley face