Japanese Grand Prix - confirmed cancelled
Discussion
TheDeuce said:
It was supposed to be the third in a triple header of GP's. I wonder if the replacement could be to double up at Turkey which precedes it on the calendar..?
The problem with that is Turkey is currently a red-list country, and the race after it was supposed to act as a cleanser to avoid quarantine when the teams return to base afterwards. They need a race in a non-red-list country for that.thegreenhell said:
TheDeuce said:
It was supposed to be the third in a triple header of GP's. I wonder if the replacement could be to double up at Turkey which precedes it on the calendar..?
The problem with that is Turkey is currently a red-list country, and the race after it was supposed to act as a cleanser to avoid quarantine when the teams return to base afterwards. They need a race in a non-red-list country for that.I wonder how small the list of countries with an F1 circuit are that both accept incomers from Turkey with no quarantine AND are also on UK and Italy's no quarantine list so that the teams might return home.
Tricky..
TheDeuce said:
Ahh that's a very good point.
I wonder how small the list of countries with an F1 circuit are that both accept incomers from Turkey with no quarantine AND are also on UK and Italy's no quarantine list so that the teams might return home.
Tricky..
The logistics of the flyaways at the back end of the season are going to be a total nightmare, as they have to ship sea freight to the venues well ahead of time. They need to make the decisions on freight ASAP, while the Covid situation in many places is getting worse and the events might still be subject to cancellation. I wonder how small the list of countries with an F1 circuit are that both accept incomers from Turkey with no quarantine AND are also on UK and Italy's no quarantine list so that the teams might return home.
Tricky..
Yes, it’s going to be a short list of countries that currently let people travel from Turkey without quarantine - perhaps Bahrain might be an option, or Qatar?
Sandpit Steve said:
The logistics of the flyaways at the back end of the season are going to be a total nightmare, as they have to ship sea freight to the venues well ahead of time. They need to make the decisions on freight ASAP, while the Covid situation in many places is getting worse and the events might still be subject to cancellation.
Yes, it’s going to be a short list of countries that currently let people travel from Turkey without quarantine - perhaps Bahrain might be an option, or Qatar?
Or the Formula One Management need to fly the sea freight too... There's nothing oversized or non-IATA is there?Yes, it’s going to be a short list of countries that currently let people travel from Turkey without quarantine - perhaps Bahrain might be an option, or Qatar?
Sandpit Steve said:
TheDeuce said:
Ahh that's a very good point.
I wonder how small the list of countries with an F1 circuit are that both accept incomers from Turkey with no quarantine AND are also on UK and Italy's no quarantine list so that the teams might return home.
Tricky..
The logistics of the flyaways at the back end of the season are going to be a total nightmare, as they have to ship sea freight to the venues well ahead of time. They need to make the decisions on freight ASAP, while the Covid situation in many places is getting worse and the events might still be subject to cancellation. I wonder how small the list of countries with an F1 circuit are that both accept incomers from Turkey with no quarantine AND are also on UK and Italy's no quarantine list so that the teams might return home.
Tricky..
Yes, it’s going to be a short list of countries that currently let people travel from Turkey without quarantine - perhaps Bahrain might be an option, or Qatar?
If they can't find a replacement for post Turkey then I guess that puts Turkey itself in jeopardy. Triple header in Russia perhaps?
Evanivitch said:
Or the Formula One Management need to fly the sea freight too... There's nothing oversized or non-IATA is there?
IIRC the sea freight is stuff like the the pit area fitout for the teams, and quite a lot of FOM stuff for timing, TV, scrutineering, advertising, not sure about the safety and medical cars. Possibly fuel for the F1 cars. They fly with the minimum needed and it’s still something like 500 tonnes (6 x 747 Cargo planes). It might just about be possible with another dozen 747s, and arrangements for supply of dangerous things like gas bottles at the other end.
Everything fits in lorries for the European races, so I wouldn’t think there was anything that couldn’t be broken down enough to go in a 747.
DHL will have to work for their sponsorship money this year.
Sandpit Steve said:
IIRC the sea freight is stuff like the the pit area fitout for the teams, and quite a lot of FOM stuff for timing, TV, scrutineering, advertising, not sure about the safety and medical cars. Possibly fuel for the F1 cars.
They fly with the minimum needed and it’s still something like 500 tonnes (6 x 747 Cargo planes). It might just about be possible with another dozen 747s, and arrangements for supply of dangerous things like gas bottles at the other end.
Everything fits in lorries for the European races, so I wouldn’t think there was anything that couldn’t be broken down enough to go in a 747.
DHL will have to work for their sponsorship money this year.
I'm sure a few Antonovs could be painted yellow...They fly with the minimum needed and it’s still something like 500 tonnes (6 x 747 Cargo planes). It might just about be possible with another dozen 747s, and arrangements for supply of dangerous things like gas bottles at the other end.
Everything fits in lorries for the European races, so I wouldn’t think there was anything that couldn’t be broken down enough to go in a 747.
DHL will have to work for their sponsorship money this year.
ch37 said:
How would they deal with back to back overseas races normally if it a lot goes by sea? Do they have multiples of everything? The schedule doesn't seem to allow for sea freight at the best of times.
Yes, they have five sets of everything for the sea freight, which all goes off on ships before the start of the season. DHL did a video about the logistics a couple of years ago.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=MH6Loko0BOA
konark said:
Didn't have any trouble organising the hundreds of events in the Olympics (and paralympics ) during peak covid, but a grand prix in 3 months seems to be beyond them.
I think that if they could have binned it for another year they would have. The scale and logistics of the Olympics makes F1 look like an informal grass track event by comparison. They had to make a go/no go decision that would have been binding and I guess the impact financially and on the athletes meant that they were tied into hosting it regardless of anything else.There was an interesting article in Motor Sport (I think) that discussed the logistics of F1 over the past 18 months. One of the take-aways has been the realisation that you don't need to ship half your factory around the world to go racing. You just need the cars, some spare parts and people. Everything else can be hired in or made locally.
Wasn't it Tyrrell that once, having no money, disassembled their cars and flew them home as hand-luggage?
konark said:
Didn't have any trouble organising the hundreds of events in the Olympics (and paralympics ) during peak covid, but a grand prix in 3 months seems to be beyond them.
The Olympics has hundreds of millions in investment behind it that you can't get out of or recoup by cancelling it.Given the current situation, if the Japanese could have cancelled the Games with no financial consequences, they'd have done it in a heartbeat. Some thought they should have anyway.
As it stands, they will have still lost a hefty chunk of the benefit the Games brings, but they essentially cut their losses on the project.
The Grand Prix is easily cancellable. The circuit is there whatever happens, you just don't hold the event.
Muzzer79 said:
konark said:
Didn't have any trouble organising the hundreds of events in the Olympics (and paralympics ) during peak covid, but a grand prix in 3 months seems to be beyond them.
The Olympics has hundreds of millions in investment behind it that you can't get out of or recoup by cancelling it.Given the current situation, if the Japanese could have cancelled the Games with no financial consequences, they'd have done it in a heartbeat. Some thought they should have anyway.
As it stands, they will have still lost a hefty chunk of the benefit the Games brings, but they essentially cut their losses on the project.
The Grand Prix is easily cancellable. The circuit is there whatever happens, you just don't hold the event.
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