After 3 F90 M5's

[JMBMWM5]

I have an "Ultimate F90 M5 on Order for October time, Marine Bay Blue with Smoked White leather.
My question : will this be one of the last V8 M5's?.
I think it will, 2022 could well be the end of this car as it is, anyone?.

[Magnum 475]

2022 may not be the end of the M5, but it will introduce an M5 that won't let you break the speed limit.

I can see values of used pre-2022 cars going up as a result.

[JMBMWM5]

Looks like a keeper then in that case.

[w8pmc]

It's an interesting question.

the M3 went straight 6, V8 & now down to blown 6.

My gut feel is the next M5 will drop to a 6 cylinder with battery enhancement, so the Power will stay at the 600bhp level (450bhp from the ICE & 150-200bhp from the batteries.

All that said, i like most have no idea how the market will evolve over the next few years as they world's gone mad

Looking forward to seeing your Ultimate & as you'd expect, i'm still head over heals in love with mine

[matty g]

Thats been my thinking too. I've an ultimate in MBB with silverstone on order.. Its actually in stock at the VDC but they wont release it to the dealer until whatever have been nicked off it/ found to be faulty is sorted.

My thinking is the GFV will be much lower than the actual value so may have some "cheap" M5 motoring. Whilst the newer "hybrid" will still be good. I think there will be a calling for the current V8.

Although if you remember the purists shouting when this one was released with 4WD.

[JMBMWM5]

w8pmc said:

It's an interesting question.

the M3 went straight 6, V8 & now down to blown 6.

My gut feel is the next M5 will drop to a 6 cylinder with battery enhancement, so the Power will stay at the 600bhp level (450bhp from the ICE & 150-200bhp from the batteries.

All that said, i like most have no idea how the market will evolve over the next few years as they world's gone mad

Looking forward to seeing your Ultimate & as you'd expect, i'm still head over heals in love with mine

Glad your loving it, will post some pictures as and when.

[garystoybox]

My opinion is quite different. I think they’ll continue to depreciate like they always have and it’s madness to think otherwise. I mean it’s hardly the ‘purist option’ I.e. a near 2 tonne car, 4 wheel drive, slush box with a turbo charged engine which sounds pretty muted. I love mine as a daily runabout, but can’t see future innovations offering less in this sector. It certainly not a car I’d dream of getting out of bed at 6am on a Sunday morning thrash… I see it as more of an efficient ‘do all’ vehicle where you can still get the occasional bit of fun thrown in. I think a return to hybrid V6 could be an exciting change?

[Terminator X]

Next M5 rumoured to be electric and 1000hp.

Is the OP talking about a CS?

TX.

[JMBMWM5]

Terminator X said:

Next M5 rumoured to be electric and 1000hp.

Is the OP talking about a CS?

TX.

No new LCI with Ultimate Pack.

[DB77]

garystoybox said:

My opinion is quite different. I think they’ll continue to depreciate like they always have and it’s madness to think otherwise. I mean it’s hardly the ‘purist option’ I.e. a near 2 tonne car, 4 wheel drive, slush box with a turbo charged engine which sounds pretty muted. I love mine as a daily runabout, but can’t see future innovations offering less in this sector. It certainly not a car I’d dream of getting out of bed at 6am on a Sunday morning thrash… I see it as more of an efficient ‘do all’ vehicle where you can still get the occasional bit of fun thrown in. I think a return to hybrid V6 could be an exciting change?

I completely agree. It is a great car, but the benefits of the last generation of ICE cars are not really felt in the M5. It is already heavy, the engine (while strong) is not sonorous and many buyers choose it because it is the fastest / latest / greatest. I think hybrid / electric assistance will suit many buyers very well. People suggested the F10 would avoid the typical M5 fate as the last DCT / 2WD! The E39 and E60 will continue to appeal to the purists, the F10 and F90 will continue to depreciate.

[ChocolateFrog]

I'm struggling to see enthusiasts yearning for the F10 and F90 in 20 years time.

I'm probably wrong but they don't seem properly special at all. I personally don't lust after one at all.

When their granddad is regarded as one of the best sports saloons ever made it's a tough act to follow.

[w8pmc]

ChocolateFrog said:

I'm struggling to see enthusiasts yearning for the F10 and F90 in 20 years time.

I'm probably wrong but they don't seem properly special at all. I personally don't lust after one at all.

When their granddad is regarded as one of the best sports saloons ever made it's a tough act to follow.

Whilst i agree the F90 or F10 is unlikely to ever be seen as a collectors car (same applies to Audi's & Merc's like for like offerings), i totally disagree with the not seeming special.

I've had many 'nice' & very fast cars over the years, but am constantly in awe of how special my F90 M5C Ultimate feels. It's a sublime cruiser with the waftability & luxury of a 7 Series/S-Class when i'm 'just' mooching, but with the flick of a switch & smash of the loud pedal, it's Turbo S/488/Huracan quick with a sub 3 sec 0-60 & on track I've been blown away how it's crushing my previous laptimes in what most would describe as far more suitable track weapons.

[rassi]

The F90 M5 is my 4th, and best, following E39, E60 and F10 M5s.

The E39 M5 was my favourite but the F90 peerless blend of cruiser, bruiser and overall integrity of drivetrain, comfort, speed and feel good makes it the best. No doubt the next generation will be great too, but this V8 will be very difficult to beat, especially if it will be an inline 6 with hybrid tagged on.

[JMBMWM5]

rassi said:

The F90 M5 is my 4th, and best, following E39, E60 and F10 M5s.

The E39 M5 was my favourite but the F90 peerless blend of cruiser, bruiser and overall integrity of drivetrain, comfort, speed and feel good makes it the best. No doubt the next generation will be great too, but this V8 will be very difficult to beat, especially if it will be an inline 6 with hybrid tagged on.

I have found the same, I have ordered an Ultimate to be probably my last (getting a bit old now 72).
I just love the all round power/comfort.

[DB77]

w8pmc said:

ChocolateFrog said:

I'm struggling to see enthusiasts yearning for the F10 and F90 in 20 years time.

I'm probably wrong but they don't seem properly special at all. I personally don't lust after one at all.

When their granddad is regarded as one of the best sports saloons ever made it's a tough act to follow.

Whilst i agree the F90 or F10 is unlikely to ever be seen as a collectors car (same applies to Audi's & Merc's like for like offerings), i totally disagree with the not seeming special.

I've had many 'nice' & very fast cars over the years, but am constantly in awe of how special my F90 M5C Ultimate feels. It's a sublime cruiser with the waftability & luxury of a 7 Series/S-Class when i'm 'just' mooching, but with the flick of a switch & smash of the loud pedal, it's Turbo S/488/Huracan quick with a sub 3 sec 0-60 & on track I've been blown away how it's crushing my previous laptimes in what most would describe as far more suitable track weapons.

What tracks have you had the M5C on and what times have you recorded? I took mine to Spa and found it performed well, but was clearly less at home (and I thought less fun) than the 458 or cayman that my mates took.

[garystoybox]

w8pmc said:

but with the flick of a switch & smash of the loud pedal, it's Turbo S/488/Huracan quick with a sub 3 sec 0-60 & on track I've been blown away how it's crushing my previous laptimes in what most would describe as far more suitable track weapons.

With utmost respect imo the M5 isn’t anyway near as quick as a a 488/Turbo S, (with the exception possibly of off the line in poor conditions) which are in a different league performance wise. But I agree it is impressive how it will do both extremes of performance and comfort; which is what makes it such a great all rounder on the road.

[w8pmc]

garystoybox said:

With utmost respect imo the M5 isn’t anyway near as quick as a a 488/Turbo S, (with the exception possibly of off the line in poor conditions) which are in a different league performance wise. But I agree it is impressive how it will do both extremes of performance and comfort; which is what makes it such a great all rounder on the road.

Agreed on a track or very twisty B roads, but purely the usual performance measures we read in the UK, those being 0-60 (2.7secs), 0-62 (2.9secs) 0-100 (6.4 secs) & 1/4mile (10.8 secs) & even with a Nordschleife time of 7:36, the F90 M5 is only 15 secs slower than a 488 & 19 secs slower than a 992 T/S

So i do disagree with your point that the F90 M5C is 'nowhere near as quick', but the way the more 'supercar' derived cars deploy their performance, is indeed very different to the M5, but the numbers support the fact they're very close in reality.

Edit to add if my pockets were a little deeper, a Turbo S is still my Halo car & I'd absolutely take one over my M5

Edited by w8pmc on Wednesday 18th August 12:45

[w8pmc]

DB77 said:

What tracks have you had the M5C on and what times have you recorded? I took mine to Spa and found it performed well, but was clearly less at home (and I thought less fun) than the 458 or cayman that my mates took.

So far just Donington National & Blyton (got another Blyton in a couple of weeks & Snetterton early October).

Best lap time at Doni in the F90 M5C was a 1:20, with my previous best being a 1:22 last year in a far lighter/smaller track prepped vehicle.

Blyton really isn't a great circuit for the M5 as it's very tight, but i still managed to knock 1/2 sec off my previous best, but haven't got the times for both cars as have changed to a different recording device.

Spa i'd imagine would be exceptional in the F90 M5 as it certainly was in my F10, however i never quite managed to get under the 3min mark in the F10, but got a 2:58 in the car i mention above with my previous lap record at Doni, so i'm hopeful the F90 should smash that time (weather & confidence permitting).

[Max Maxasson]

IIRC a M5C has a similar Nürburgring time as a Ferrari 458
Thats pretty impressive.

[garystoybox]

w8pmc said:

Edit to add if my pockets were a little deeper, a Turbo S is still my Halo car & I'd absolutely take one over my M5

Edited by w8pmc on Wednesday 18th August 12:45

I owned a 488, 911 Turbo S (although only briefly) and M5 Comp at the same time last year. The only car out of those three I still own is the M5. The 911 went due to me receiving a daft offer and never really gelling with it. Basically I found the M5 did everything the Porsche did as a daily but was more under the radar and I could fit two sets of golf clubs and trolleys in the boot!
Honestly though the M5 wouldn’t live with the 488 over 50 mph