Trading in M2 advice?

Trading in M2 advice?

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Berry10000

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154 posts

117 months

Tuesday 3rd August 2021
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Just after some guidance here. Had my M2 2018 for near 3 years now, and just about to trade it in for me and the missus to get the new M135i

BMW have offered me £32.5k for the M2 which I’m happy enough with against my balance to settle of £31.6k leaving me in pocket to the good of £900 but here’s the advice request.

The M135 won’t be available till November, in which time I’ll have paid another £1.5k of the M2, but BMW will still only be giving me the £900 difference.

Can’t help but feel like I’m out of pocket slightly as normally it would be fine but as the values are likely to still hold strong. I’ve then paid an extra £1.5k (won’t have added much mileage as not doing much at moment) yet still only £900 to the good.

Hope I’ve given enough info to the predicament, but in the current strong market, can’t help but feel I’m losing out come November? Unless I’ve missed something completely!!

MOBB

4,071 posts

142 months

Tuesday 3rd August 2021
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Have BMW said they will only give you the £900 difference?

In my experience the amount they offer you is set, and if the finance owing reduces in the meantime, you will receive the additional money.


Berry10000

Original Poster:

154 posts

117 months

Tuesday 3rd August 2021
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MOBB said:
Have BMW said they will only give you the £900 difference?

In my experience the amount they offer you is set, and if the finance owing reduces in the meantime, you will receive the additional money.
I’ll check, I’d expect it to stay same if only couple week, but it’s 3 months till car available.

MOBB

4,071 posts

142 months

Tuesday 3rd August 2021
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I suppose the question is are they happy to wait til November for your car, and the current offer still stands in November.

I suspect they will be, so you should be ok.

mmm-five

11,762 posts

299 months

Tuesday 3rd August 2021
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Your current balance is £31.6k and you're getting £32.5k from the dealer:
  • difference/profit of £900
You can't pick up the new car until November, so will have to pay a few more month's finance (£1500). Your finance balance will thus be reduced to £30.1k (I assume) and you'll still be getting £32.5k from the dealer:
  • difference is now £2.4k - minus the £1.5k you've paid in finance - so you'll still end up £900 up on the deal
Or are you forgetting the reduction in the finance balance?

Berry10000

Original Poster:

154 posts

117 months

Tuesday 3rd August 2021
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mmm-five said:
Your current balance is £31.6k and you're getting £32.5k from the dealer:
  • difference/profit of £900
You can't pick up the new car until November, so will have to pay a few more month's finance (£1500). Your finance balance will thus be reduced to £30.1k (I assume) and you'll still be getting £32.5k from the dealer:
  • difference is now £2.4k - minus the £1.5k you've paid in finance - so you'll still end up £900 up on the deal
Or are you forgetting the reduction in the finance balance?
I’m aware of the reduction in finance balance and the dealer said I’ll still only get the £900 difference so they’re assuming that what they give to me will reduce on line with finance, which for me means they're trying to pull a fast one in the current ‘bubble’ market?

mmm-five

11,762 posts

299 months

Tuesday 3rd August 2021
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Berry10000 said:
I’m aware of the reduction in finance balance and the dealer said I’ll still only get the £900 difference so they’re assuming that what they give to me will reduce on line with finance, which for me means they're trying to pull a fast one in the current ‘bubble’ market?
That makes more sense then.

BMW aren't offering/guaranteeing £32.5k, but £900 more than your finance settlement figure.

If you know they're trying to pull a fast one, tell them to stick it.

I'd be cancelling my order and going elsewhere unless they give you a static figure - otherwise what's to stop them claiming they can only offer £400 on top in 3 months time?

ollieM2C

96 posts

86 months

Tuesday 3rd August 2021
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Having worked in the car trade (for BMW) this isn’t how part ex deals are set up. They should offer you a fixed price for your car which should be stated on your invoice.

If we had a part ex coming in on a new car order which had a longer delivery time on it, we’d slightly devalue the part ex to allow for depreciation. When the part ex was sold to us, at point of the new car handover we’d settle the finance and the customer would get the equity at that point in time.

In short, sounds like the dealer is trying to pull a fast one.

tallpaul26

546 posts

234 months

Tuesday 3rd August 2021
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I'd get the p/ex offer in writing with confirmation that's what they'll pay. Their offer of +£900 to the settlement figure is derisory in the current performance car market.

Assuming it's a nice example, i'd be very surprised in any significant depreciation over the next 3 months, unless you damage it or pile miles on.

Berry10000

Original Poster:

154 posts

117 months

Tuesday 3rd August 2021
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tallpaul26 said:
I'd get the p/ex offer in writing with confirmation that's what they'll pay. Their offer of +£900 to the settlement figure is derisory in the current performance car market.

Assuming it's a nice example, i'd be very surprised in any significant depreciation over the next 3 months, unless you damage it or pile miles on.
Agree, it is a nice example apart from a careless scuff on my drivers side alloy which I still give myself a good talking to about smile

Seeing what my local dealer says, then will let the other dealer think about it now I’ve asked them to rethink what they’ve said re part ex

ST66N

72 posts

99 months

Tuesday 3rd August 2021
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We Buy Any Car were £5k over the BMW dealer on mine - well worth checking

nickfrog

22,833 posts

232 months

Tuesday 3rd August 2021
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tallpaul26 said:
I'd get the p/ex offer in writing with confirmation that's what they'll pay. Their offer of +£900 to the settlement figure is derisory in the current performance car market.
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£32.5k for a 18 M2 sounds like a decent offer, at least compared to WBAC although the OP's first step should be to check what WBAC offer as a benchmark. My guess is WBAC may be £500 or so more depending on mileage.

What this needs to be balanced with is how good the discount is on the new car.

OP, do you need 5 doors? It sounds like you're getting rid of a slow depreciating car to go into a fast depreciating one, that may or may not be as good to drive.

Berry10000

Original Poster:

154 posts

117 months

Tuesday 3rd August 2021
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nickfrog said:
tallpaul26 said:
I'd get the p/ex offer in writing with confirmation that's what they'll pay. Their offer of +£900 to the settlement figure is derisory in the current performance car market.
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£32.5k for a 18 M2 sounds like a decent offer, at least compared to WBAC although the OP's first step should be to check what WBAC offer as a benchmark. My guess is WBAC may be £500 or so more depending on mileage.

What this needs to be balanced with is how good the discount is on the new car.

OP, do you need 5 doors? It sounds like you're getting rid of a slow depreciating car to go into a fast depreciating one, that may or may not be as good to drive.
The better half wants a 5 door, I realise the M2 is the better model to keep but happy to go with something new that she has decided she likes, upgraded interior plus I’ve enjoyed mine for near 3 years now so happy to change.

WBAC we’re at £32.5k themselves when I looked last week.

nickfrog

22,833 posts

232 months

Tuesday 3rd August 2021
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That's fair enough. The 5 door will be far more practical / roomy.
I think it's fair for the BMW dealer to match WBAC. You basically need to investigate how good the deal is on the new car. What do the brokers offer? Coast2coast for instance.

VeeTenM

754 posts

129 months

Tuesday 3rd August 2021
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WBAC change week in week out, infact they have been going up in prices!

AAD44H

419 posts

174 months

Tuesday 3rd August 2021
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Is it an M2 competition?

Northernboy

12,642 posts

272 months

Tuesday 3rd August 2021
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What does the M135 offer over the M2? It seems like a step down.

Berry10000

Original Poster:

154 posts

117 months

Tuesday 3rd August 2021
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AAD44H said:
Is it an M2 competition?
No it’s the LCI or I’d be wanting a lot more smile

Berry10000

Original Poster:

154 posts

117 months

Tuesday 3rd August 2021
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Northernboy said:
What does the M135 offer over the M2? It seems like a step down.
The missus isn’t keen on the M2, too much for her, plus she wants the newness of the interior and the 5 doors. I’ve had a blast in it for nearly 3 years so am happy enough that I’ve scratched the M itch for now.

Jamesgt

849 posts

248 months

Tuesday 10th August 2021
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What’s the details on the M2? Maybe someone would be interested on here?