Warwickshire Council to investigate blanket 20s

[havoc]

https://www.stratford-herald.com/news/council-will...

Near-unanimous decision to fully investigate it, with only a minor challenge that it "won't be popular everywhere". (no st, Sherlock!)

I suggest we make our feelings known to our local County Councillors.
https://democracy.warwickshire.gov.uk/mgMemberInde...



(Don't get me wrong...there ARE places where 20s make sense...outside of schools as a key example. But blanket in every residential area?!?)

[How u doing]

havoc said:

https://www.stratford-herald.com/news/council-will...

Near-unanimous decision to fully investigate it, with only a minor challenge that it "won't be popular everywhere". (no st, Sherlock!)

I suggest we make our feelings known to our local County Councillors.
https://democracy.warwickshire.gov.uk/mgMemberInde...



(Don't get me wrong...there ARE places where 20s make sense...outside of schools as a key example. But blanket in every residential area?!?)

TBH it depends what's classed as residential. I could support 30 on the trunk rds and 20 on the side roads. Also they're making the point that if the limit is blanket it's less confusing, happy with that.

Not sure 20 would work on the Alcester Rd for example.

[Getragdogleg]

How u doing said:

havoc said:

https://www.stratford-herald.com/news/council-will...

Near-unanimous decision to fully investigate it, with only a minor challenge that it "won't be popular everywhere". (no st, Sherlock!)

I suggest we make our feelings known to our local County Councillors.
https://democracy.warwickshire.gov.uk/mgMemberInde...



(Don't get me wrong...there ARE places where 20s make sense...outside of schools as a key example. But blanket in every residential area?!?)

TBH it depends what's classed as residential. I could support 30 on the trunk rds and 20 on the side roads. Also they're making the point that if the limit is blanket it's less confusing, happy with that.

Not sure 20 would work on the Alcester Rd for example.

I went to a council meeting once because lower speed limits were being discussed, all the assembled officials approved a new lower 20mph for the area even though it was wholly unsuitable for most of it.

After the meeting I followed one of the main supporters of this 20mph scheme out of the town, the town was then a 30mph limit, he was doing just over 40mph.

[havoc]

How u doing said:

TBH it depends what's classed as residential. I could support 30 on the trunk rds and 20 on the side roads. Also they're making the point that if the limit is blanket it's less confusing, happy with that.

Not sure 20 would work on the Alcester Rd for example.

I can see the point of 20 in cul-de-sacs - they're halfway there already in terms of people's behaviours. But the blanket idea across anywhere residential feels like a great soundbite with a lot of practical problems.

I guess I don't trust councillors to implement it properly. And a comment has already been made elsewhere that lowering the speed limit lowers the maintenance requirements for a road (so saves the LA cash!).

...which, especially on HGV-trafficked through-roads (not least Alcester, Evesham, Birmingham, Tiddington, Banbury Rds near us), will probably lead to more potholes. And as Getrag mentions, lower compliance, so more frustration.

If it is applied to through-roads I can also see it being a cash cow for the camera partnerships...20s are notoriously hard to stick to without concentrating*, and should you really be concentrating on your speedo in a residential area?



* Cruise, even ACC, doesn't work as there's too much give-and-take behaviour, traffic lights, junctions, etc. etc.

[How u doing]

havoc said:

How u doing said:

TBH it depends what's classed as residential. I could support 30 on the trunk rds and 20 on the side roads. Also they're making the point that if the limit is blanket it's less confusing, happy with that.

Not sure 20 would work on the Alcester Rd for example.

I can see the point of 20 in cul-de-sacs - they're halfway there already in terms of people's behaviours. But the blanket idea across anywhere residential feels like a great soundbite with a lot of practical problems.

I guess I don't trust councillors to implement it properly. And a comment has already been made elsewhere that lowering the speed limit lowers the maintenance requirements for a road (so saves the LA cash!).

...which, especially on HGV-trafficked through-roads (not least Alcester, Evesham, Birmingham, Tiddington, Banbury Rds near us), will probably lead to more potholes. And as Getrag mentions, lower compliance, so more frustration.

If it is applied to through-roads I can also see it being a cash cow for the camera partnerships...20s are notoriously hard to stick to without concentrating*, and should you really be concentrating on your speedo in a residential area?



* Cruise, even ACC, doesn't work as there's too much give-and-take behaviour, traffic lights, junctions, etc. etc.

I'm still of the opinion that 20mph zones work, not just the odd school or bottle neck.

For instance the whole area between the Birmingham Rd and the Alcester Rd could wear a 20limit from Bishopton Lane to Arden St.


ETA

Where the trunk rds hit urban congestion they're pretty much self regulating anyway.

Edited by How u doing on Tuesday 13th July 14:29

[MB140]

Let’s face it

Apart from near schools etc (where I actually agree with them but they should only be In place during certain busy hours. 0730-0900, 1500-1600 for example).

I like many will blatantly ignore the 20 limit and continue at 30. Practically every person in the country will be speeding.

[How u doing]

MB140 said:

Let’s face it

Apart from near schools etc (where I actually agree with them but they should only be In place during certain busy hours. 0730-0900, 1500-1600 for example).

I like many will blatantly ignore the 20 limit and continue at 30. Practically every person in the country will be speeding.

Many people drive at an indicated 35 in a 30 limit just cos, if (in time) this becomes an indicated 25 everyone's a winner.

Better than speed bumps and width restrictions.

Double yellows have been proposed on the main route into our village. The police have opposed it, parked cars are a natural calming measure. Without them greater volume and faster traffic could mean lights in the centre. Nobody wants that.

[Getragdogleg]

How u doing said:

Better than speed bumps and width restrictions.

Our council insist on putting bumps, buildouts and those priority choke points in all 20 zones.

They say its necessary to be allowed to be a 20.

Its utter fkery.

[havoc]

Getragdogleg said:

Our council insist on putting bumps, buildouts and those priority choke points in all 20 zones.

They say its necessary to be allowed to be a 20.

Its utter fkery.

I'm suddenly against the whole lot then.

A 20 limit I can get behind, in the right location.

A 20 limit AND speed bumps (or choke points, but esp. speed humps, as one of my cars is low and the other is stiff) - no, fk right off. You're not adding extra wear to my suspension and my spine just to slow the tts down...

[How u doing]

havoc said:

Getragdogleg said:

Our council insist on putting bumps, buildouts and those priority choke points in all 20 zones.

They say its necessary to be allowed to be a 20.

Its utter fkery.

I'm suddenly against the whole lot then.

A 20 limit I can get behind, in the right location.

A 20 limit AND speed bumps (or choke points, but esp. speed humps, as one of my cars is low and the other is stiff) - no, fk right off. You're not adding extra wear to my suspension and my spine just to slow the tts down...

I don't think there's a legal requirement for choke points or speed humps. I've seen many places with just a sign. A change in road surface ie blocks at the entrance of the zone may serve as a useful reminder though.

[tommobot]

30 is fine to me, but people don't stick to it so like Havoc I can see the need for 20's around school and slim roads etc..

Past the school into Wilmcote (Havoc I think I've seen you in the area?) would be a prime example.

Anyway, when it all rolls down to a blanket 20, I can't wait for the people doing 15mph and cycling past them

[havoc]

tommobot said:

Past the school into Wilmcote (Havoc I think I've seen you in the area?) would be a prime example.

Agreed. That stretch from the pub to the paddock past the school should be a 20 anyway as it's too tight regardless of whether kids are around.

...and yes, you would have done - Wilmcote / Ridgeway is my "back way home" when the A46 gets too busy.

[laterontoday]

Not long ago the Motoring Nazis in Warwickshire stuck 50mph limits everywhere so 20 limit doesn't come as any surprise. Agree on residential streets with high accidents rates or close to schools a 20 limit may be appropriate.

My village is a 30 limit and the road must be a mile and half long with a 50 limit either side of the village. There are houses with drives that go directly out onto the main road so it needs a limit. I get fed up of following motorists of all ages and genders who drive at 40 in the 50 limit and then continue at 40 through the 30 limit. Unless a limit is enforced then its just a paper exercise and completely meaningless.

[23.7]

I noticed a 20 through the centre of Alcester.

Quite appropriate.