Baby-seat in 2 seater TVR??? (so no cerbera)
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Having just returned from a 2 week vacation in the south of france -unfortunately again without a toy- i wanted to ask you all something: is it possible to fit a baby-seat on the parcel-shelf behind the seats of a Grif/Chim/Tusc?
I know of a guy who just put his daughter on the shelf without any safety-devices, but since our little boy is not even 2 years old and won't remain sitting, for the meantime, i consider this unsafe.(he did it untill the girl was 9/10 years old)
Are there any people who tried to fit a baby-seat in their 2 seater TVR and do you consider this legal? We plan to take a convertible toy-car next year and i am just desperately trying NOT having to buy another 911.
If you know of people who have done this, please let them post on the tread or PM me. any pics may be??
I know of a guy who just put his daughter on the shelf without any safety-devices, but since our little boy is not even 2 years old and won't remain sitting, for the meantime, i consider this unsafe.(he did it untill the girl was 9/10 years old)
Are there any people who tried to fit a baby-seat in their 2 seater TVR and do you consider this legal? We plan to take a convertible toy-car next year and i am just desperately trying NOT having to buy another 911.
If you know of people who have done this, please let them post on the tread or PM me. any pics may be??
Ah, worms everywhere!
Car designed to carry two.
You'll invalidate your insurance, be commiting an offence and being a bit bloody silly or paying homage to our parents (did us no harm etc) depending on your point of view.
On the upside though, a maxi cosi citi fits perfectly in the front of a Chim passenger seat.
Car designed to carry two.
You'll invalidate your insurance, be commiting an offence and being a bit bloody silly or paying homage to our parents (did us no harm etc) depending on your point of view.
On the upside though, a maxi cosi citi fits perfectly in the front of a Chim passenger seat.
Oooo. Can. Tin opener. Worms everywhere...
We've had this conversation before - conclusion: not safe at all.
Personally I reckon its only a matter of how much money you want to throw at the problem. It must be possible to cut through the grp, get to the chassis and firmly attach mounts to which its possible to strap a child seat...
We've had this conversation before - conclusion: not safe at all.
Personally I reckon its only a matter of how much money you want to throw at the problem. It must be possible to cut through the grp, get to the chassis and firmly attach mounts to which its possible to strap a child seat...
The problem is that the car is only designed for two seats and therefore the insurance, change of seating capacity etc. I had Triumph GT6 and just like the MGB GT they have a rear seat. No good for adults but removed can accept a child seat. I bolted the seat into the car body (metal) and it lasted for years.
The problem of course is to seat 3 people. Putting the baby-seat on the passenger-seat is of course no problem, we (the little boy and I) did it yesterday when we let the horse out after 2 weeks of missing it.
But unless I want to go on vacation without my girlfriend or the boy (I will "do" the Scotland-trip with the Dutch TVR club this august, just with my girlfriend) i have to find a solution.
I think Don is right that it should not be impossible to reach the chassis and it is actually that kind of solutions i am after and that is why i posted this thread in the first place.
Thanks so far,
D
ps; at the risk of looking stupid after using the internet intensively for more than 10 years; what is the worms-joke about?
But unless I want to go on vacation without my girlfriend or the boy (I will "do" the Scotland-trip with the Dutch TVR club this august, just with my girlfriend) i have to find a solution.
I think Don is right that it should not be impossible to reach the chassis and it is actually that kind of solutions i am after and that is why i posted this thread in the first place.
Thanks so far,
D
ps; at the risk of looking stupid after using the internet intensively for more than 10 years; what is the worms-joke about?
More a joke for the regular PH'ers
Someone posted this recently and it ended up as quite the discussion, 10 pages plus.
General consensus was to swerve the entire affair but there were a few in the never did me any harm camp.
The real issue is the validity of the insurance as a result. I imagine that if you add a seat then you may need to go through SVA...
Someone posted this recently and it ended up as quite the discussion, 10 pages plus.
General consensus was to swerve the entire affair but there were a few in the never did me any harm camp.
The real issue is the validity of the insurance as a result. I imagine that if you add a seat then you may need to go through SVA...
I'm sorry but you get no marks from me for even considering it.
1) You are now responsible (along with your partner) for that persons life and wellbeing.
2) Young childrens skin is very vunerable to burning from the sun, so you won't be able to drive with the roof down anyway.
3) The buffeting behind the seats can be quite bad, try driving with the roof down with a pile of papers on the shelf.
4) Young children have 'floppy' necks, which don't take kindly to being thrown about. Cornering forces and hard car rides are not good.
5) Its just plain stupid.
I'm afraid its just time to grow up and accept your responsibility as a parent and privide an appropriate method of transport.
Thats my 2p
davidy
1) You are now responsible (along with your partner) for that persons life and wellbeing.
2) Young childrens skin is very vunerable to burning from the sun, so you won't be able to drive with the roof down anyway.
3) The buffeting behind the seats can be quite bad, try driving with the roof down with a pile of papers on the shelf.
4) Young children have 'floppy' necks, which don't take kindly to being thrown about. Cornering forces and hard car rides are not good.
5) Its just plain stupid.
I'm afraid its just time to grow up and accept your responsibility as a parent and privide an appropriate method of transport.
Thats my 2p
davidy
having been a member for 59 months (i just saw on my profile) i had never seen the worms joke yet.
I am affraid you are right about the insurrance problems. What other solutions you think remain without having to buy a 997? (Not that i don't like the car, but it has so much less soul than a TVR or italian toys.)
I am affraid you are right about the insurrance problems. What other solutions you think remain without having to buy a 997? (Not that i don't like the car, but it has so much less soul than a TVR or italian toys.)
infinity said:
having been a member for 59 months (i just saw on my profile) i had never seen the worms joke yet.
I am affraid you are right about the insurrance problems. What other solutions you think remain without having to buy a 997? (Not that i don't like the car, but it has so much less soul than a TVR or italian toys.)
www.theanswerbank.co.uk/Phrases_and_Sayings/Question71981.html attempts to explain where the phrase comes from.
I had this conversation with my 3y old this saturday
he wanted to go for a drive in "daddy car reflex charcoal" with mummy and daddy. When I said he would have to sit in the boot he decided "mummy car green" would be a better idea. I think this is the only solution that should be considered.
How times change, my dad drove me hundereds miles sitting on the battry box cover behind the seats in his mgb roadster
he wanted to go for a drive in "daddy car reflex charcoal" with mummy and daddy. When I said he would have to sit in the boot he decided "mummy car green" would be a better idea. I think this is the only solution that should be considered.
How times change, my dad drove me hundereds miles sitting on the battry box cover behind the seats in his mgb roadster
Dear Davidy,
allthough in daily business-life i have more than my fair share of making war, i am not used to be attacked the way you seem to consider normal on a casual forum like Pistonheads. Therefore i hope you don't mind my reaction on your points being somewhat direct as well.
1) I waited till my 32nd untill taking this important step because I consider becoming parents is the biggest responsability in ones life, so one should be ready and prepared for it.
2) We will only use it for the small trips (only on B-roads)to and from the place we are staying and the beach, restaurants etc. He will wear a sunhat like on the beach all the time and my girlfriend might even exegerate with his factor 30 suncare applied on an hourly base allthough being waterresistant.
3) See 2. I even do the travelling -driving to the south of France 1350 km- alone, my girlfriend flying with the little boy to Nice where I pick them up after I brought away all the stuff we take along. Do you do this yourself too? or do you let them cry and/or uncomfortably sleep in your Toyota or Saab for more than 10 hours?
4) as a (hobby) race driver I don't see the point of throwing my car around on public streets anymore. Or do you take your kids on trackdays with you too? In fact I consider people throwing their cars around on public streets as irresponsible not grown-up idiots.
5) I am trying to find a safe solution besides buying a 997. And am willing to throw money at it too. I can not look in your wallet, but CAN look in your profile. Can it be that there are people who remain driving nice cars instead of Saab's and Toyota's after they become parents? or does that have something to do with money? In that case i consider your accusation "plain stupid" as plain jealousy.
Live well.
To Russian rocket: we all had loving parents, who wanted only the best for us and they saw no harm in taking us with them without any safety-devices as child-seats or airbags. Were they irresponsible or -like Davidy says: Plain stupid?
>> Edited by infinity on Monday 4th July 14:04
allthough in daily business-life i have more than my fair share of making war, i am not used to be attacked the way you seem to consider normal on a casual forum like Pistonheads. Therefore i hope you don't mind my reaction on your points being somewhat direct as well.
1) I waited till my 32nd untill taking this important step because I consider becoming parents is the biggest responsability in ones life, so one should be ready and prepared for it.
2) We will only use it for the small trips (only on B-roads)to and from the place we are staying and the beach, restaurants etc. He will wear a sunhat like on the beach all the time and my girlfriend might even exegerate with his factor 30 suncare applied on an hourly base allthough being waterresistant.
3) See 2. I even do the travelling -driving to the south of France 1350 km- alone, my girlfriend flying with the little boy to Nice where I pick them up after I brought away all the stuff we take along. Do you do this yourself too? or do you let them cry and/or uncomfortably sleep in your Toyota or Saab for more than 10 hours?
4) as a (hobby) race driver I don't see the point of throwing my car around on public streets anymore. Or do you take your kids on trackdays with you too? In fact I consider people throwing their cars around on public streets as irresponsible not grown-up idiots.
5) I am trying to find a safe solution besides buying a 997. And am willing to throw money at it too. I can not look in your wallet, but CAN look in your profile. Can it be that there are people who remain driving nice cars instead of Saab's and Toyota's after they become parents? or does that have something to do with money? In that case i consider your accusation "plain stupid" as plain jealousy.
Live well.
To Russian rocket: we all had loving parents, who wanted only the best for us and they saw no harm in taking us with them without any safety-devices as child-seats or airbags. Were they irresponsible or -like Davidy says: Plain stupid?
>> Edited by infinity on Monday 4th July 14:04
I used to travel on the parcel shelf, I loved it.
Dad used to take the roof off or open the tailgate when going through the illumnitations.
The only time I had a "proper" seat was in the 2+2 or when Dad had the white elephant and I had the dog seat.
Nowadays that will all be against the law, but I had so much fun, and occasinally the dead arm from lying down for long periods.
I LOVED IT.
Claire
Dad used to take the roof off or open the tailgate when going through the illumnitations.
The only time I had a "proper" seat was in the 2+2 or when Dad had the white elephant and I had the dog seat.
Nowadays that will all be against the law, but I had so much fun, and occasinally the dead arm from lying down for long periods.
I LOVED IT.
Claire
I thought the idea of the forums was to share information, not lecture. I thought the response was valid and then the russian rocket comment neutralised the above. We dont live in a nanny state and we should be free to live our own lives. Yes we know no seat belt does no favours for life expectancy but anyone who is approaching 40 will have travelled many thousands of miles without a belt. When you can look back with a warm glow about travelling on a battery box then thats what life is about!
infinity
My apologies if I was a bit blunt, maybe I over-reacted, but its not the first time this question has been asked on PH (and there are IMHO a large number of fathers who won't grow up!), and even considering it to me is very daft.
In response to your points
1) Noted
2) Small trips are statistically just as dangerous as a long one and B roads have a significant number of accidents, you don't mmet tractors and combine harvesters on a motoway
3) Now you are making assumptions about my life, firstly my wife is an ex-airline pilot (longhaul) and whilst flying is a very safe mode of transport, my wife will not fly with our children until they can evacuate themselves. In her words, if there ever was an incident you have just signed their death warrant - think about it carefully. Secondly, we took the decision not to travel too far with them when they are young, usually 2-2.5hrs max and our best holidays have been less than 80 miles from home. I certainly do not and never have travelled with them crying in the car, if that was likely to happen I'd rather holiday at home. Their wellbeing is too important to me.
4) I've done my fair share of trackdays + sprint/hillclimbing, over 70 at the last count, to me that part of my life is out of my system and I drive in what I believe is a safe manner on the road whether I have my children with me or not. What this has to do with me taking my children on trackdays I don't know (which incidently I've not done).
5) I'm not at all jealous of your consideration of a 997, its your money and your choice. I have local friends with them, but I took the descision a few years back to do less work (and earn less) and move to a quieter part of the country. That meant giving up a few things but I don't regret it for one momemt. Money is not everything, but I'm pleased you have money to throw at the solution. Jealous, I am most definitely not and with regard to our current choice of cars, they are reliable, comfortable and safe, these meet our current requirements.
I don't think our parents were stupid, but if they know what we know now and had the equipment at their disposal - the way we travelled might have been different.
All the best
davidy
>> Edited by davidy on Monday 4th July 16:22
My apologies if I was a bit blunt, maybe I over-reacted, but its not the first time this question has been asked on PH (and there are IMHO a large number of fathers who won't grow up!), and even considering it to me is very daft.
In response to your points
1) Noted
2) Small trips are statistically just as dangerous as a long one and B roads have a significant number of accidents, you don't mmet tractors and combine harvesters on a motoway
3) Now you are making assumptions about my life, firstly my wife is an ex-airline pilot (longhaul) and whilst flying is a very safe mode of transport, my wife will not fly with our children until they can evacuate themselves. In her words, if there ever was an incident you have just signed their death warrant - think about it carefully. Secondly, we took the decision not to travel too far with them when they are young, usually 2-2.5hrs max and our best holidays have been less than 80 miles from home. I certainly do not and never have travelled with them crying in the car, if that was likely to happen I'd rather holiday at home. Their wellbeing is too important to me.
4) I've done my fair share of trackdays + sprint/hillclimbing, over 70 at the last count, to me that part of my life is out of my system and I drive in what I believe is a safe manner on the road whether I have my children with me or not. What this has to do with me taking my children on trackdays I don't know (which incidently I've not done).
5) I'm not at all jealous of your consideration of a 997, its your money and your choice. I have local friends with them, but I took the descision a few years back to do less work (and earn less) and move to a quieter part of the country. That meant giving up a few things but I don't regret it for one momemt. Money is not everything, but I'm pleased you have money to throw at the solution. Jealous, I am most definitely not and with regard to our current choice of cars, they are reliable, comfortable and safe, these meet our current requirements.
I don't think our parents were stupid, but if they know what we know now and had the equipment at their disposal - the way we travelled might have been different.
All the best
davidy
>> Edited by davidy on Monday 4th July 16:22
Davidy,
Thanks for your reply. Let's consider it solved. I think we have the same problem regarding the funds, i can not afford to have a 997 as a daily driver/toy (currently a 530D) and 2 toy-only cars either, so if i decide to go for the 997 i will have to sell both the BMW and the Ferrari.
it might however fit the budget to buy a Grif or an early Tuscan and keep both the other cars as well, that's how I came up with the subject.
>> Edited by infinity on Monday 4th July 17:21
Thanks for your reply. Let's consider it solved. I think we have the same problem regarding the funds, i can not afford to have a 997 as a daily driver/toy (currently a 530D) and 2 toy-only cars either, so if i decide to go for the 997 i will have to sell both the BMW and the Ferrari.
it might however fit the budget to buy a Grif or an early Tuscan and keep both the other cars as well, that's how I came up with the subject.
>> Edited by infinity on Monday 4th July 17:21
infinity said:
To Russian rocket: we all had loving parents, who wanted only the best for us and they saw no harm in taking us with them without any safety-devices as child-seats or airbags. Were they irresponsible or -like Davidy says: Plain stupid?
neither that was just the way things were back then, nobody knew any better until the statisitcs started rolling in
also used to drive a fiat 500, me and my brother would stand up out of it's sun roof. Have cine film of me arriving home from my christning just held in the arms of my godmother, who was unrestrained in the front seat, as the car didn't have seatbelts (optional extra)
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