Discussion
I am currently trying to decide between a 911 and a Cerbera.
There's about £26k in the pot to spend and I'd ideally like a Turbo 2 or an early 993 (about '94)
The TVR appears to be frighteningly expensive to run and from most of the threads I've read so far, there aren't any happy tales to tell.
I have been back through the history pages and have quite a lot of info although the thread Cerbera v 911 never really reached a conclusion!
What I have found though is that "you must drive lots and make up your own mind".
Problem. As I'm only 22 all the garages I go to treat me like s*"t and after about 4 weeks hunting, I still haven't been in a 911.
Dream Machines were absolutely fantastic, helpful etc etc but anyone selling a Porsche.........
Can anyone recommend a good garage?
There's about £26k in the pot to spend and I'd ideally like a Turbo 2 or an early 993 (about '94)
The TVR appears to be frighteningly expensive to run and from most of the threads I've read so far, there aren't any happy tales to tell.
I have been back through the history pages and have quite a lot of info although the thread Cerbera v 911 never really reached a conclusion!
What I have found though is that "you must drive lots and make up your own mind".
Problem. As I'm only 22 all the garages I go to treat me like s*"t and after about 4 weeks hunting, I still haven't been in a 911.
Dream Machines were absolutely fantastic, helpful etc etc but anyone selling a Porsche.........
Can anyone recommend a good garage?
quote:
The TVR appears to be frighteningly expensive to run and from most of the threads I've read so far, there aren't any happy tales to tell.
Not true, there are many more happy Cerbera owners than unhappy ones, but only (mostly) the unhappy ones post in PH. Budget £2K per year for maintenance and you'll be OK. For the Porsche the servicing will be cheaper than the TVR, but, its not got a V8!
As you discovered, try out as many as possible of each and decide which suits you best.
A few months ago, I was in a similar situation, but I was looking at an Esprit or Caterham as an alternative.
If you are after an extreme car, the only way to go is to get a 964RS. You will get one for your budget, and a nice one, too.
- The 964RS is currently non-depreciating, unlike most cars in the world.
- It makes the Turbo 2 seem a bit soft. Believe me, I drove the 3.6 Turbo 2 before the RS and the RS is more of a beast overall.
- Performance is OK (0-60 in 4.9, 0-100 in 12, top speed 160+) but brakes are legendary and handling is pure track car.
If you need an everyday car, the Turbo 2 is more of a sensible option, but will cost you 30% more to run.
A very, very sensible everyday Porsche proposition is the 993 Carrera, but this is not in the same excitement league as a 964RS.
If you can stretch to 33k, I saw a 993RS for sale in the last Porsche Post. These *are* better cars in many ways than the 964RS, but whether they are 8k better is a different argument. Especially if you do a lot of track work and get the 964RS Motec'd to 320bhp.
If you are near High Wycombe, Scottster and I will take you out in a 993 Carrera and a 964RS, and you can see what suits you. Alternatively, if you are free on Sunday, let me know, as we may be meeting up with a Turbo 2 owner.
Cheers
Domster
If you are after an extreme car, the only way to go is to get a 964RS. You will get one for your budget, and a nice one, too.
- The 964RS is currently non-depreciating, unlike most cars in the world.
- It makes the Turbo 2 seem a bit soft. Believe me, I drove the 3.6 Turbo 2 before the RS and the RS is more of a beast overall.
- Performance is OK (0-60 in 4.9, 0-100 in 12, top speed 160+) but brakes are legendary and handling is pure track car.
If you need an everyday car, the Turbo 2 is more of a sensible option, but will cost you 30% more to run.
A very, very sensible everyday Porsche proposition is the 993 Carrera, but this is not in the same excitement league as a 964RS.
If you can stretch to 33k, I saw a 993RS for sale in the last Porsche Post. These *are* better cars in many ways than the 964RS, but whether they are 8k better is a different argument. Especially if you do a lot of track work and get the 964RS Motec'd to 320bhp.
If you are near High Wycombe, Scottster and I will take you out in a 993 Carrera and a 964RS, and you can see what suits you. Alternatively, if you are free on Sunday, let me know, as we may be meeting up with a Turbo 2 owner.
Cheers
Domster
Never driven a Cerbera so I'm not qualified to comment on that bit, but with regard to 911s in your price range, have you tried Prestige & Performance in Uxbridge? [url]www.911virgin.com[/url]
I bought my 930 Turbo off them recently and had a good experience (so far - might change my mind if the engine blows up!). I'm a bit older than yourself being early 30's but had also experienced not being taken seriously at other places when I turned up in my daily runaround - a beaten up 135k mile 318i estate.
The guys at P&P seem like genuine enthusiasts who recognise another and based on my experience seemed pretty straightforward. They generally have a reasonable selection of interesting cars. A lot of their 911s seem to be cars they have sold previously and then the owner has come back a couple of years later to trade up to something else, which I guess suggests they don't piss their customers off too badly!
Good luck and let us know how you get on.
Chris
I bought my 930 Turbo off them recently and had a good experience (so far - might change my mind if the engine blows up!). I'm a bit older than yourself being early 30's but had also experienced not being taken seriously at other places when I turned up in my daily runaround - a beaten up 135k mile 318i estate.
The guys at P&P seem like genuine enthusiasts who recognise another and based on my experience seemed pretty straightforward. They generally have a reasonable selection of interesting cars. A lot of their 911s seem to be cars they have sold previously and then the owner has come back a couple of years later to trade up to something else, which I guess suggests they don't piss their customers off too badly!
Good luck and let us know how you get on.
Chris
quote:
Never driven a Cerbera so I'm not qualified to comment on that bit, but with regard to 911s in your price range, have you tried Prestige & Performance in Uxbridge? [url]www.911virgin.com[/url]
I feel a Domster comment coming on.
kevinday - sorry, didn't mean to upset anyone, its just that when I started to looking at a new car, I never thought I could afford a TVR. Found out I could actually get quite a nice one so started on my research and found PH...
M@H - Nice car isn't a problem, I already drive a £30K motor, private plate and so on, but if thats what they are judging me on then I'll take my money elsewhere.
Sorry everyone, I'm really not an angry person, but have been given the run around something cronic recently.
domster - thanks for the info, I've been recommended an RS by a friend who has a GT3, can't praise it enough - will take you up on your offer.
This weekend may be a problem, but will drop you a line to sort something out if that's OK?
M@H - Nice car isn't a problem, I already drive a £30K motor, private plate and so on, but if thats what they are judging me on then I'll take my money elsewhere.
Sorry everyone, I'm really not an angry person, but have been given the run around something cronic recently.
domster - thanks for the info, I've been recommended an RS by a friend who has a GT3, can't praise it enough - will take you up on your offer.
This weekend may be a problem, but will drop you a line to sort something out if that's OK?
quote:
quote:
Never driven a Cerbera so I'm not qualified to comment on that bit, but with regard to 911s in your price range, have you tried Prestige & Performance in Uxbridge? [url]www.911virgin.com[/url]
I feel a Domster comment coming on.
Sorry, still relatively new here so don't get it? - please explain?
quote:
My ex-boyfriend used to have an 911RS, I think............. It didn’t feel as fast as my Boxster either and was very uncomfortable. Nice colour though.
Sorry pitgirl, but unless your boxster has been breathed on by Messrs Gemballa, Ruf or Techart, your ex's 911 would not have been an RS.
DAZ
Hmmm.....Am I right Domster? or are RS's slower than boxsters.
PS Domster check your email
Pitgirl your boy friend wasnt called George was he? as Dom and I both know of an RS that went into a hedge coz a certain George couldnt handle it.
Daz is spot on tho, no standard Pox'ter (not a spelling mistake, im not a fan) is gonna be quicker than a 964RS excepting a B road so bumpy the RS owners spleen shatters and his eyes shake out. Lots of RS copys on earlier cars tho, so it could have actualy been a 1970's 150bhp 2.7 under the body kit.
Daz is spot on tho, no standard Pox'ter (not a spelling mistake, im not a fan) is gonna be quicker than a 964RS excepting a B road so bumpy the RS owners spleen shatters and his eyes shake out. Lots of RS copys on earlier cars tho, so it could have actualy been a 1970's 150bhp 2.7 under the body kit.
I'm not sure how an old RS is any faster than a new boxter s, with 260 ponies and circa 1100kg's AND superior weight distribution. I'm sure things have moved on in the last 15 years. Mind you, it would be annoying if you were a die hard 911 fan and some bird whipped yer old rusty ass.
>> Edited by tailslider on Tuesday 8th October 15:44
>> Edited by tailslider on Tuesday 8th October 15:44
I had the same problem when trying to demo a TVR Cerbera at most of the local midlands dealers, in the end I gave up and bought a Porsche instead. I am also for my sins work as a salesman for Jeep for the last seven years, and even this did not help.
Unfortunately "most" sales people tend to pre-judge, and my youthfull looks went against me.
My advice is drive everything you can, if a garage or salesperson is not willing and eager to let you demo the car at that time, then try to make an appointment to drive one, if they still have any objections then take your business elsewhere, or insist on seeing the sales manager.
It is suprising being on the other end of the sales process how bad things are, and certainly opens your eyes.
Unfortunately "most" sales people tend to pre-judge, and my youthfull looks went against me.
My advice is drive everything you can, if a garage or salesperson is not willing and eager to let you demo the car at that time, then try to make an appointment to drive one, if they still have any objections then take your business elsewhere, or insist on seeing the sales manager.
It is suprising being on the other end of the sales process how bad things are, and certainly opens your eyes.
quote:
... the 'Domster moment' reply is about Henry at 911 virgins. As lots of PHers are not fans of him.
Interesting, thanks. It was more his brother I dealt with (Tom if I remember right), who seemed OK. Love to know more of the background if anyone can do so without the risk of a law suit!
Chris
quote:
Never driven a Cerbera so I'm not qualified to comment on that bit, but with regard to 911s in your price range, have you tried Prestige & Performance in Uxbridge? [url]www.911virgin.com[/url]
Yeah, Henry is a
and his brother Tom is just as bad, minus the charm and charisma! His missus was by the best ambassador for the business, but I spent my cash privately. He wouldn't come clean as to a few points on his cars - felt he may have had something to hide, and he got arrogant quite quickly if you had a little Porsche knowledge to match.
You get what you pay for with Henry. His cars are cheap for good reason, but to be fair to him, he does make his money by volume not value, ie he only makes a modest sum on each car, unlike a main dealer for example.
Buyer beware, and above all, beware of Henry being a bit up himself
>> Edited by domster on Tuesday 8th October 16:06
>> Edited by domster on Tuesday 8th October 16:06
Gassing Station | Porsche General | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff