There haven't been any commercial aircraft crashes
There haven't been any commercial aircraft crashes
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srebbe64

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13,021 posts

266 months

Sunday 3rd July 2005
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I was thinking today, the number commercial airlines crashing seemed to have reduced in recent years. During the 80's and 90's there seemed to be a major accident every few months. I guess the airlines, engineers and ATC need congratulating.

FourWheelDrift

92,283 posts

313 months

rich 36

13,739 posts

295 months

Sunday 3rd July 2005
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Stanstead 90's japanese aircraft full of electroniCs?

>> Edited by rich 36 on Sunday 3rd July 19:19

maranellouk

2,066 posts

292 months

Sunday 3rd July 2005
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Bloody hell. The survival rates are a bit grim.

Eric Mc

125,609 posts

294 months

Sunday 3rd July 2005
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2004 was a very good year for commercial air safety. 2005 is looking good so far but all you need these days to screw things up is a fully loaded 747 to go down somewhere and instantly you have a very bad year.

rich 36

13,739 posts

295 months

Sunday 3rd July 2005
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No, what was the crash, I'm thinking of.
I do'nt think it was, the super-carrier was it
(that daily arrival into the UK full of CE)

Clio172

79 posts

256 months

Sunday 3rd July 2005
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They just dont seem to carsh anymore in the western world, i remember a few years back they were predicting 1 a week with the increase in flights we have now but does not seem to be happening. When was the last western world air crash, swiss air over nova scotia? or maybe the crash on approach to JFK, AA airbus i think.

Lois

14,706 posts

281 months

Sunday 3rd July 2005
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Glad to hear it flying a week tomorrow!

simpo two

92,708 posts

294 months

Sunday 3rd July 2005
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If one of those big new Airbus jobbies runs out of sky there's going to be an awful lot of body parts to pick up...

Eric Mc

125,609 posts

294 months

Sunday 3rd July 2005
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Unfortunately, we do get crashes in the "west" from time to time. Thankfully, they are quite rare. The most recent serious accident I can think of was last year when an MK Airlines cargo 747 crashed on take off from Halifax, Nova Scotia - possibly due to the cargo shifting. All on board were killed although, being a cargo flight, the death toll was only 5 or 6.

The American Airlines Airbus accident happened as it was climbling out of JFK after take off. It experienced severe turbulence from a Japan Air Lines 747 which was a few miles ahead of it. Although the turbulence was severe, it wasn't sufficient to damage the Airbus. However, the crew over reacted to the turbulence and applied too much correcting rudder which overstressed the tail fin causing it to break off.

Clio172

79 posts

256 months

Sunday 3rd July 2005
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Eric Mc said:
Unfortunately, we do get crashes in the "west" from time to time. Thankfully, they are quite rare. The most recent serious accident I can think of was last year when an MK Airlines cargo 747 crashed on take off from Halifax, Nova Scotia - possibly due to the cargo shifting. All on board were killed although, being a cargo flight, the death toll was only 5 or 6.

The American Airlines Airbus accident happened as it was climbling out of JFK after take off. It experienced severe turbulence from a Japan Air Lines 747 which was a few miles ahead of it. Although the turbulence was severe, it wasn't sufficient to damage the Airbus. However, the crew over reacted to the turbulence and applied too much correcting rudder which overstressed the tail fin causing it to break off.


The tail fin was up to design spec but the designers did not envisage that such force would ever be applied to the rudder. The pilots were a bit heavy handed on the rudder. Aparently other airlines had been warned not to do what they did and a big court case ensued over who was responsible, Airbus vs AA i believe. Regarding the Cargo crash, they dont count. I was talking about fare paying passenger accidents in large aircraft 737 and up. When was the last accident? random airlines dont count either

Vipers

33,501 posts

257 months

Sunday 3rd July 2005
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I like the bit when they do the pre flight safety brief, and say "In the event we land on water", planes dont LAND on water, they bloody well CRASH simple as that, but suppose they have to say it

srebbe64

Original Poster:

13,021 posts

266 months

Sunday 3rd July 2005
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Here's a question. Has anyone been rescued after blowing their whistle thingie?

eharding

14,648 posts

313 months

Sunday 3rd July 2005
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Blimey, it's being so cheerful that keeps you lot going, eh?

You're far more likely to die by being struck my
lightning whilst collecting your National Lottery
triple-rollover winner's cheque than you are you die
as a passenger on a scheduled public transport
air-carrier (provided the country of registration
does not end in 'stan').

Hilts

4,684 posts

311 months

Sunday 3rd July 2005
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Eric Mc said:
Confirmed, no serious 777 accidents yet after almost 10 years of service. Not bad but sooner or later one will meet an untimely end. The 757 had a fantastic record until two were lost within a few months of each other for totally different reasons.

Eric Mc said:
2004 was a very good year for commercial air safety. 2005 is looking good so far but all you need these days to screw things up is a fully loaded 747 to go down somewhere and instantly you have a very bad year.


Eric Mc...... PH Harbinger of Doom

Mikey G

4,891 posts

269 months

Sunday 3rd July 2005
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FourWheelDrift said:
www.planecrashinfo.com/2005/2005.htm


Looking at that, best not fly in an Antonov then

eharding

14,648 posts

313 months

Sunday 3rd July 2005
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Mikey G said:

FourWheelDrift said:
<a href="www.planecrashinfo.com/2005/2005.htm">www.planecrashinfo.com/2005/2005.htm</a>



Looking at that, best not fly in an Antonov then


To be fair, Russian engineering is pretty much the
only thing going to get you airborne in some
of these arse-end-of-beyond sh*te-hole locations -
if you tried to operate with the equivalent Western
gear, it would have a nervous breakdown and quietly
die inside of a month. A lot of the problems are
operational and procedural, not fundamental problems
with the gear.

Karen182

4,214 posts

263 months

Sunday 3rd July 2005
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Why are cabin lights dimmed on take off and landing???

ErnestM

11,621 posts

296 months

Sunday 3rd July 2005
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Karen182 said:
Why are cabin lights dimmed on take off and landing???


Makes the hamsters run faster...


ErnestM

FourWheelDrift

92,283 posts

313 months

Sunday 3rd July 2005
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Karen182 said:
Why are cabin lights dimmed on take off and landing???


The crew need all the electricity they can muster for the autopilot to land the plane in one piece.