Form S1 for continuing healthcare
Discussion
So, I read the gov.uk blurb and it impresses the need to get this form from Newcastle for the SECU (or CPAM) here in France. It says to ring the 0191 telephone number, and as expected it was pretty busy, but on the third attempt I got through. Went through all the protocols, and it turns out that if you have already done this in the past you actually need to do nothing at all. My Carte Vitale will still be valid and nothing changes at all. So, folks, if you already have a Carte Vitale, rest easy. You have nothing to do at all.
lowdrag said:
Interesting comment that. When I applied to the SECU for one, and even though I have had my carte vitale for 15 years, they told me to ring the UK. I've no idea if that will now change.
On the Ameli.fr website there is a section to order a CEAM, they arrive within a couple of weeks.I found out this year that there is a yawning gap between what the French system will pay and what stuff actually costs elsewhere. In January, I started with Arrhythmia and needed Cardioversion treatment in Spain. It cost €3,365, but the organisation in Vannes, who make the refunds together with my Mutual, jointly paid out just over half the cost.
So, even with a CEAM, you probably need some travel insurance, just in case.
harrycovert said:
We had a french EHIC when we were paying URSAF. When we retired we went to CEPAM to replace them and were told to get a Uk one which we did.!!
From what you have said I presume you are still fiscally French then,although now retired. I can't get my head around why CEPAM told you to get a UK one.Did/do you still have a carte Vitale?
I'm fiscally French and will have worked here for 22 years when I retire,I can't see me getting a uk ehic.
Are your circumstances different for you to have to go for a uk ehic?
https://www.connexionfrance.com/Practical/Health/B...
I can’t get my head around this,or the reason for it.
I can’t get my head around this,or the reason for it.
We are fiscally French permanent residents. Our EHICs are, and have always been, from the UK. Recently we had a newsletter update from the British Embassy in Paris advising everyone to renew their cards. I have always presumed that we have English cards because the cost of all our healthcare in France is repatriated to the UK.
Mike-tf3n0 said:
We are fiscally French permanent residents. Our EHICs are, and have always been, from the UK. Recently we had a newsletter update from the British Embassy in Paris advising everyone to renew their cards. I have always presumed that we have English cards because the cost of all our healthcare in France is repatriated to the UK.
I think we've found a grey area!Mike are you retired here? If so have you always been retired here or have you worked here?
I'm thinking the retirement before living in France may be the key to the uk ehic question.
Yes, we retired here in 2001 when I was 57, never worked here, and the old E111 was the document needed by the authorities. We applied for our Cartes Vitale at that time too which, of course, meant declaring to the revenue although at that stage we had no income. When the pensions came on stream tax was deducted at source in the UK but when we were disenfranchised by the UK I elected to pay my tax in France. Similarly we also applied for S1s when the authorities here said everyone needed to have one, this was just last year I think. I can't remember exactly when we applied to the UK for our original EHICs but it was a long time ago, the one in my wallet has just expired and I have applied for a replacement for both of us as instructed in a recent circular from the British Embassy. Hope that helps.
Edited by Mike-tf3n0 on Saturday 5th December 17:26
Edited by Mike-tf3n0 on Saturday 5th December 17:28
Isn't it simply that those people with E101/S1 whose healthcare is reimbursed by the UK, now have UK EHIC cards?
I say now, because that wasn't the case a few years ago, we had French issued EHICS despite any costs being ultimately paid by the UK. It always seemed a bit stupid to me, that if I needed emergency healthcare in Spain, Spain would bill France, and France would then bill the UK.
"Similarly we also applied for S1s when the authorities here said everyone needed to have one"
Did they issue them Mike? I was refused a duplicate E111 before S1 replaced it, but would like us to have S1s.
There's an interesting video (in french), a discussion involving the national director of social security regarding the various sums involved. Getting to it is a bit of a process, but worked for me on the last time I tried. http://videos.assemblee-nationale.fr/video.4333267...
I say now, because that wasn't the case a few years ago, we had French issued EHICS despite any costs being ultimately paid by the UK. It always seemed a bit stupid to me, that if I needed emergency healthcare in Spain, Spain would bill France, and France would then bill the UK.
"Similarly we also applied for S1s when the authorities here said everyone needed to have one"
Did they issue them Mike? I was refused a duplicate E111 before S1 replaced it, but would like us to have S1s.
There's an interesting video (in french), a discussion involving the national director of social security regarding the various sums involved. Getting to it is a bit of a process, but worked for me on the last time I tried. http://videos.assemblee-nationale.fr/video.4333267...
Yes indeed, there was no problem about that and they were issued straight away. You get two originals both of which you take to the CPAM duly completed, they keep one and the other is eventually returned to appropriate authority in the UK when the French authority has endorsed it. I took a scan for myself should an original go missing but it all went perfectly. The only other thing is that the Carte Vitale is disabled from the moment the S1 is submitted to the moment it all goes through, about two weeks if I remember correctly.
Steve, technically the E111 is now invalid if I recall correctly, the S1 having replaced it, so I would suggest it might be a good idea to get your S1s and get them into the CPAM before your Carte Vitale suddenly stops working because the paperwork supporting it is now superseded. These are strange times and I think it is well worth having every imaginable bit of paperwork bang up to date to avoid any problems going forward.
Well, despite having the Carte Vitale for 14 years the CEAM system keeps telling me it is down, so out of curiosity I visited the EHIC site. Strangely, it didn't ask me for my National Insurance number or proof of identity, just my name, date of birth and where I lived, then tells me the card will be processed and sent before the end of the year. I received straight away an email telling me my application has been successful and that a new card is being issued. But nevertheless, I shall keep trying to get one via Amelie just to see what happens.
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