Looking to move to France and post Brexit.
Discussion
PH is almost always a great resource for any question anyone may have, so i thought id open a thread here.
I am looking to move to continental Europe and France is at the top of my list of countries.
I have a background electronics and have worked for over 5 years for a multinational defense company and have qualifications up to HNC in electronics design.
Until 2 months ago i spoke no French, but have been intensely working and intend to continue until i find an employer that will take me on.
Ive applied for 2 jobs so far, both in Grenoble, and one where the business language is English (but the advert also requires fluent French).
My questions are, has anyone got any tips for me?
How likely is it that i will get a job as a (future) non EU citizen? When i look online, electronics engineers and technicians are some of the roles with the greatest skills shortages in France and the rest of Europe.
Thanks all.
I am looking to move to continental Europe and France is at the top of my list of countries.
I have a background electronics and have worked for over 5 years for a multinational defense company and have qualifications up to HNC in electronics design.
Until 2 months ago i spoke no French, but have been intensely working and intend to continue until i find an employer that will take me on.
Ive applied for 2 jobs so far, both in Grenoble, and one where the business language is English (but the advert also requires fluent French).
My questions are, has anyone got any tips for me?
How likely is it that i will get a job as a (future) non EU citizen? When i look online, electronics engineers and technicians are some of the roles with the greatest skills shortages in France and the rest of Europe.
Thanks all.
Interesting thread idea.
The other way round:
My girlfriend is in charge of employing teachers for a summer school every year. Most of their regulars are from the continent.
Short contracts of a month to 2 months, but now nigh on impossible as the government insists on sponsorships and other criteria with costs per individual that make it completely unproductive profit wise.
Plus at a human cost those regular freelancers that come over to the UK to do jobs that UK teachers don't want to do (it's their summer hols after all) have lost their work.
Also I would like to move somewhere warm and sunny if I get a chance to retire but it looks like that plan is scuppered unless I stop being a Brit and try to get citizenship in a new country.
The other way round:
My girlfriend is in charge of employing teachers for a summer school every year. Most of their regulars are from the continent.
Short contracts of a month to 2 months, but now nigh on impossible as the government insists on sponsorships and other criteria with costs per individual that make it completely unproductive profit wise.
Plus at a human cost those regular freelancers that come over to the UK to do jobs that UK teachers don't want to do (it's their summer hols after all) have lost their work.
Also I would like to move somewhere warm and sunny if I get a chance to retire but it looks like that plan is scuppered unless I stop being a Brit and try to get citizenship in a new country.
Edited by croyde on Sunday 29th November 10:49
You're going to be a third country national, so difficult to employ. Before a third country national can be employed, a French company has to show that a French national can't be employed to fill the vacancy, including IIRC advertising the position with the Pôle Emploi ( Job Centre ) for 7 or 8 weeks and then get approval from the French authorities to employ you - not impossible but difficult.....
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rdjohn said:
Definitely the wrong time in the economic cycle, but Airbus in Toulouse is also an English speaking outfit.
I suppose another consequence of Brexit is that any Brits with less than 5-years could bear the brunt of any redundancies.
We have great friends who work there - a husband and wife - they have been there for around 25 years. Whilst the company may be English speaking, the wife has gone completely native - she is extravagantly affected in her speech. It reminds me of Armstrong and Miller's "English Frenchman":I suppose another consequence of Brexit is that any Brits with less than 5-years could bear the brunt of any redundancies.
The husband is a little less so but still it is little hilarious.
NDA said:
There was an article about the restrictions around living in France in the Times this morning.... PM me if you want a copy.
Thank youPM sent.
rdjohn said:
Definitely the wrong time in the economic cycle, but Airbus in Toulouse is also an English speaking outfit.
I suppose another consequence of Brexit is that any Brits with less than 5-years could bear the brunt of any redundancies.
Indeed. In my 28 years of living, i couldnt have timed my attempt to move any worse, what with Brexit and Covid.I suppose another consequence of Brexit is that any Brits with less than 5-years could bear the brunt of any redundancies.
Rushjob said:
You're going to be a third country national, so difficult to employ. Before a third country national can be employed, a French company has to show that a French national can't be employed to fill the vacancy, including IIRC advertising the position with the Pôle Emploi ( Job Centre ) for 7 or 8 weeks and then get approval from the French authorities to employ you - not impossible but difficult.....
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Yes, i dont know how much attention is paid to that. Is it a case of the business saying "all the other applicants weren't applicable."?You might find this LINK helpful
Benbay001 said:
Yes, i dont know how much attention is paid to that. Is it a case of the business saying "all the other applicants weren't applicable."?
I think you'll find it's quite a bit of attention paid, albeit if a company really needs your particular skills they should be able to show it to the GovtAs has been said, get here before the end of next month and apply for a titre de sejour and you have the rights to work here etc without the hassle
Afterwards it'll, be much harder.
Oh FFS it won't be that much harder, some more paperwork and not on an even footing with the other EU citizens- in theory, but people will still move in both directions as they did before the EU was a thing. There are plenty of parts of Fr awash with non EU passport holders, it always has always will be possible to move. In 06 where I am it's so multinational you never know what language you'll hear next, and people live here for years.
OP, can you move with your current employer? There are plenty of Fr defence companies, and UK/ Intl ones with a foothold in both places. Defo easiest to get someone else to sort it all out for you. Not sure Airbus UK are doing too much recruiting atm, historically its been a great wheeze to get a job in another country with them, as many on here attest.
However, it's far from the only route.
Alternatives: Belgium, Eng and Fr speaking, or Switzerland, also both languages available. And CH has increased the number of work permits for 3rd nation citz post Brexit, as we fall under EU for the next 4 weeks, in direct response to knowing how many usually are given to UK people.
OP, can you move with your current employer? There are plenty of Fr defence companies, and UK/ Intl ones with a foothold in both places. Defo easiest to get someone else to sort it all out for you. Not sure Airbus UK are doing too much recruiting atm, historically its been a great wheeze to get a job in another country with them, as many on here attest.
However, it's far from the only route.
Alternatives: Belgium, Eng and Fr speaking, or Switzerland, also both languages available. And CH has increased the number of work permits for 3rd nation citz post Brexit, as we fall under EU for the next 4 weeks, in direct response to knowing how many usually are given to UK people.
No chance with Airbus currently, 15,000 going, just as of now, talks are active with the various TU’s.
I’d join a UK based company with operations in France, like Airbus UK, then transfer over, countless people have done exactly that who I know. Also mitigates the need for fluent French, I’d estimate you’d need around 2 years in a role before you can transfer assuming today you do not work in aerospace that might be 3-5.
Off the top of my head;
Airbus
RR (aero)
GE
GKN
Honeywell
Rockwell Collins
Eaton
I’d join a UK based company with operations in France, like Airbus UK, then transfer over, countless people have done exactly that who I know. Also mitigates the need for fluent French, I’d estimate you’d need around 2 years in a role before you can transfer assuming today you do not work in aerospace that might be 3-5.
Off the top of my head;
Airbus
RR (aero)
GE
GKN
Honeywell
Rockwell Collins
Eaton
didnt know that about increase in 3rd country visas.Gassing Station | France | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff