Quirky Atmospherics
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c c

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8,053 posts

268 months

Monday 27th June 2005
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I just happened to use the seek thingy on my car stereo this afternoon instead of the usual preset button expecting to go to my local station for the news Radio4 NL came out. Pressing seek few more times revelled that the FM band Was chocker block with Johnny Foreigners.
Is this just quirky atmospherics or some sinister new EU plot to take over our air waves.

:shout:Back off Brussels.

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

284 months

Monday 27th June 2005
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I blame John Prescott.....

Lois

14,706 posts

281 months

Monday 27th June 2005
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I blame Jack Straw.

Julian64

14,325 posts

283 months

Monday 27th June 2005
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I blame Michael Howard

Twincam16

27,647 posts

287 months

Monday 27th June 2005
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I blame open-plan gardens

parrot of doom

23,075 posts

263 months

Monday 27th June 2005
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Atmospherics shouldn't make much difference to FM.

Pirate radio stations?

apache

39,731 posts

313 months

Monday 27th June 2005
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I blame Pirate radio stations then

Balmoral Green

42,561 posts

277 months

Monday 27th June 2005
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I once recived a radio signal of a piano playing, through the bulkhead of a Fiat Ducato. Very freaky, apparently a known phenomona Washing machines and cookers and other items with flat panels can pick it up too.

>> Edited by Balmoral Green on Monday 27th June 18:01

wizzpig

2,039 posts

257 months

Monday 27th June 2005
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apache said:
I blame Pirate radio stations then



Aaaaaaaarrrggg this be Jolly Roger FM

dilbert

7,741 posts

260 months

Monday 27th June 2005
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The time to start worrying, is when you can receive DAB broadcasts on your fillings.


Edited to add;

Especially if you get the pictures too!

>> Edited by dilbert on Monday 27th June 18:08

baztard

259 posts

259 months

Monday 27th June 2005
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I got a baseball game from a broadcast by american armed forces radio the other day...I blame George Bush!

c c

Original Poster:

8,053 posts

268 months

Monday 27th June 2005
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Defiantly not pirate stations.

They didn’t play yo yo yo and a bottle of rum.

Radio 4 NL is the Netherlands equivalent to our radio 3. Only with better music.

link

Scruffy

3,757 posts

290 months

Monday 27th June 2005
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HERE'S THE SCIENCE BIT (NO NOT THE BIG BROTHER CHARACTUER):

When charged gas molecules are produced by the energy of the sun (the ionosphere), the degree of ionisation varies with the intensity of the solar radiation. Various cycles affect the amount of solar radiation with the obvious ones being the daily and yearly cycles. This means that ionisation will be greatest around noon in the summer and at minimum just before dawn in the winter.

The output from the sun varies over a longer period of approximately 11 years. During the maximum of the solar sunspot cycle, there is greater solar activity and hence greater ionisation of the ionosphere.

Greater solar activity generally results in better conditions for radio/television propagation (increasing ionisation). However, very intense activity in the form of geomagnetic storms triggered by a solar flare can completely disrupt the layer of the ionosphere and block communications. This can happen in minutes and communications can take hours to recover.

Other atmospheric effects can affect radio propagation and may often extend the transmission of VHF and higher signals beyond the line-of-sight. The lowest region in the atmosphere, the troposphere, can scatter VHF signals more than 600 km - tropospheric scatter. Ducting is a phenomenon where radio waves get trapped by a variation in the atmospheric density. The waves can then travel along by refraction. Ducting usually occurs over water or other homogenous surfaces. This is more common at higher frequencies and has permitted UHF communication over distances greater than 2500 km.



Another phenomenon, sporadic E skip, is a seasonal occurrence, usually during the summer. A small region of the E layer becomes more highly charged than usual, permitting the reflection of signals as high in frequency as 200 MHz. This highly-charged region soon dissipates. Sporadic E propagation will occur for only a few minutes to a few hours.

Hence the extra stations ex[perienced in summer.

It's a bit different with AM, but similar principals apply. (more crap weaving in and out at night where stations broadcasts on the other side of the world (where it's still light) get beamed in.

So you're right about the atmosphere.

turbobloke

117,168 posts

289 months

Monday 27th June 2005
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Scruffy said:
So you're right about the atmosphere.
Nah, according to Greenpeas and Fiends of the Earth, it's due to pollution from cars repelling our own radio waves while attracting transmissions from polluted cities abroad, spokesmen didn't say today - but if they had it would have made more sense than usual

FourWheelDrift

92,281 posts

313 months

Monday 27th June 2005
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I blame Gugliemo Marconi.

apache

39,731 posts

313 months

Monday 27th June 2005
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ok I blame scruffy

philthy

4,697 posts

269 months

Monday 27th June 2005
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Living in near the water in South Devon, we get some unusual stuff happening.
I used to work in a TV repair shop. The antenna system we had was very highly amplified just to get a signal from our local (at the time) transmitter. In my years there, I saw french, dutch, german, Polish, and even a few russian stations !!. We regularly get interference from Froggy TV/radio. Some of the spanish FM stations aren't bad either. Trouble is, none of this lasts for more than a few minutes. It has been known in the past for french municipal radio gear to trigger all the local police repeaters. It is a major pain in the arse for them apparently.

Phil

2 Smokin Barrels

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264 months

Monday 27th June 2005
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Twincam16 said:
I blame open-plan gardens


That's my boy!